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Originally Posted by bbfg
I don't want to pollute this thread further but imo Barack Obama has a point but he is just wording it wrong. There is more skill in regular speeds and turbo speeds, but less room for error in hypers. That means that in regulars and turbos you can probably get away with making certain mistakes over and over again, at the hypers it would kill your earnings.
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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
Barack, ive played hypers for the last couple years so im not a hater. But turbos definitely require more skill . If i were gonna rank the aspects of SNGs in terms of most solved to least solvied it would be
push/fold 0-10bbs
steal/resteal 11- 24bbs
25+bbs
So since most turbos have more hands played at less solved stacks, theres more skill required to be able to beat them. The reason edges are so much smaller and you can make any mistakes in hypers is because the fish are playing closer to optimal strat than they are in deepstacked. The only way this could be true is if there was less skill required.
I do agree with you that just because turbos are losing traffic to hypers doesnt mean stars should do something about it. They are losing traffic becaue more people want to play them and it shoudnt be stars job to protect a format by limiting players' choices to other formats.
Yeah I guess I agree with what you are saying. There's a lot more to solve in slower structures, but no one solves it all and you don't need to in order to win. In hypers you have to play close to flawless. I just find that more difficult than staking fish greater than 25 BBs deep I guess. But like, I've done some post flop ICM calculations of different lines, and it's a nightmare. If you're solving those types of spots in deeper stacked games then in all fairness that is more difficult. However you can just play those spots intuitively like 99% of regs and be fine. Intuition probably isn't enough to profit in hypers for most people. I do think the part I bolded,should read there is more skill required to play them optimally, but not necessarily to beat them (beat them meaning positive ROI.) I think "beating the games" is more a factor of minimizing errors than playing every spot optimally. I think it's easier to beat the slower structure b/c you can get away with more mistakes. But to truly master the game, not that anyone is mastering every spot of any speed, but in theroy, would be much much harder in a reg spead, but mastery is much less necessary to be a winner. It still is obviously something good to quest after, if anyone is really putting in all that work, my hat's off to them. I think there is more to master in slower structures, but it is more difficult to be a profitable player pre-rakeback in hypers. To have the highest ROI in the game that is conceptually possible, would obviously be harder in the slower structures b/c there are more complex spots. It's kind of symantics, but that's what I was trying to say. Anyway, i'm just repeating what you guys said, more clumsily. So here:
I agree.
Back to topic.
Last edited by OMGBarackObama; 02-27-2012 at 09:37 AM.