STAY AWAY FROM 180mans don't even try **** them again

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This change is just awesome thanks stars!

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really liking the 2.5k blind level in the $15's would be sweet to this in all 180s

yup its super awesome, import in other limits asap

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Stars please dont remove any of the 180s from the main mtt lobby that would absolutely kill the traffic in them

Agree with most people in this thread. The sngs at the top of the tournament lobby add little to the clutter. I would argue the schedule itself is more at fault then a few sngs on top of the list. As mentioned above, if players don't like it, they can simply turn off sngs under the tournament filter.

Loving the 2.5k level addition and would love to see it implemented across all buy-ins.

Thanks for listening stars!

As I said at PS meetings, 180s are a type of MTT, not a type of SNG. In this regard, when a recreational player clicks "Tourney->All", they want to see MTTs that they can play right now -- regardless of whether the lobby is "supposed to be for scheduled" or not. Based on this, I would put all liquid 180s into this view right at the top; and these are the only sngs I would put at the top.


Everyone says no dice re: 15% but honestly PS puts recreational players first as they should. That means this is a question of when, not if - rec players vote with their $ and they want this change. I don't know for sure but I suspect that 15% would be trialed soon at the smallest stake 180s to collect data on the effect of paying 15% on the games. That means if you are a concerned 180s reg, you should be trying to write a payout structure that is 15%. Make 19th-27th get their money back (+9 buyins), and take the money mostly from 18th-9th and a bit from 8th-4th. Or whatever you want.

It's almost a guarantee that more recreational players will continue to play as a result of these changes, and everyone will forget this was even a discussion within 3 months. This is exactly why scratch lotteries have most of the cards give you your money back. You just go buy another card right after -- building habituation and satisfaction. That first scratch card is really important -- did you win? Did you feel close to winning / close to a big win? All of the first impression weighs heavily in whether they become a long term customer.

In fact, I even think that its +EV for regs to push for a payout structure that pays 45 places -- 36 of those places get roughly their money back up to twice their money for 10th, and then the final table has a similar top heavy distribution. Of course that would never happen in 2013 but I could see this by 2015. And honestly, I believe it could have a ridiculous upside ... like it would double a regs hourly or something stupid in the long run. The reason is, many recreational players try a 180 and don't "stick" to them. If you paid more places, more players would stick, and form habits around playing a 180 for their thursday night entertainment (instead of going to the movies or whatever.) I've seen data before and I know how many recreational players play 180s ... it's staggering, and trying to cater to this market and encourage them to keep playing instead of worrying whether 3rd place gets 11.8% or 11.4% of the prizepool is way more important.

sry it might be a non-native speaker thing, do you mean staggeringly many or staggeringly few recs?

pretty sure it's going to be staggeringly many

Good Post Awice. The psychological effect of not loosing is very big for the recreational player. Gettin in the money more often is very important for recs. Combining this with some sort of ITM -
Sunday/Monthly - MTTSNG - Battle of the Planets:
180 35 ITM points
90 20 ...
45 ...
When you reach x ITM points or get 10 times ITM ---> Ticket to the final MTTSNG - Battle of the Planets Tourney Sunday/Monthly.

Love Awices posts and i agree with him 100%, mans gotta really good point for the long run, and all these money hungry blind regs cant see it, they just want more more more, its gonna kill the games like it happens to every game

Yeah, good post. I'm coming around to the 15% idea, provided it doesn't affect first - third prizes too much. Taking the 3r 180s off the MTT lobby is an awful idea though. Please no!

Please don't remove them out of the tourney section

just leave them be

exactly. now it's good field, many players, rec players have opportunity to play instantly tournaments when they had just logged in. Only one change that could possibly be is new level of blinds in all 180man between 1k/2k and 1,5k/3k

100% agree with a 15% payout structure as long as money isn't take from the top few. To anyone who disagrees with this do you not remember when you started playing? If a recreational player cashes a 180 they'll keep playing.

Please don't take them out of the scheduled lobby. If you want to clean up the lobby do something about the ridiculous amount of satellites displayed and make regular scheduled tournaments more prominent. I don't think that most MTTs are in more need of recreational players than 180s. Which games would you suggest are tougher and need more playtime from recreational players, satellites and MTTs or 180s.

With all due respect I think we all know what this is really about; 3r 180s don't pay much rake. So take them out the lobby and funnel people to games with more juice.

Much love <3

this

2.5k BB level in $15 180s = stone cold nuts. The tournaments are so much better served this way on every level. Please please hurry up introducing it to the other buy-ins! I think it's probably the only good thing to come out of this thread.

^^^^ i also agree. going from 2k to 3k blind level with 10bb poker game is pretty devastating

+1 for keeping 180s in the mtt lobby, attracts more recs and if people don't want to see them they can always filter away the sngs.

On the topic of 15% paid, again I think this would be a good thing if top 3 places stayed more or less the same. Awice made a good proposition earlier in this thread:

Awice's thing is pretty good, though the steps should be a bit less weird and should get bigger each payjump. Now it is ~4, 9, 7, 20, 21, 35, 37, 35, 102, 210, 248. That just weird. I will check for an better solution once am on a PC.