I think people are overreacting on this.

Stars aren't ******ed. They may get some stuff wrong and take a while to get things right.

But they understand the concept of trying to make money. They understand the need for regs + recs. If zoom mttsngs will attract more recs and make them more likely to redeposit they will run them. If this drives regs away from either normal mttsngs or zoom because they can't play enough games to make a living or decent hourly it will kill everything off. So there will be less games running.

They'll find a balance. Maybe the mount of regs will drop off but equilibrium will be reached.

Stars will do what is best for their business, which on the whole is going to be best for the games. More games = more rake = more profits.

People who are kicking up a fuss either side are just being selfish.

yes, please.

I strongly support the suggestion of scrapping the 35/180s for a 10r/180 (will run far more often), and also mttsng leaderboards!

I’d like to preface my comments on 45-man and 27-man SNGs by highlighting that some SNG traffic has moved to Zoom in the last week or so. This is only to be expected as Zoom is a new and exciting format and players naturally wish to try it. It is going to take a while before the long-term effect of Zoom on SNG can be analysed, especially as new limits may be added to Zoom in the coming weeks. In addition, when we move into Spring in the northern hemisphere, online poker sees a seasonal decrease in traffic. With those factors in mind I am going to err on the side of caution when it comes to making any significant changes that could affect liquidity.

45-man MTTs

Higher Buy-In Turbos
The $30 45-man runs less often than the $35 180-man, so I am concerned that there may not be enough liquidity for a higher buy-in. However, as there are no other SNGs that should be adversely affected by the introduction of a $60 45-man, we are going to run a trial. While the $60 180-man trial is being run on Sundays only, we are going to try something different for the $60 45-man. It will be available every day but only at peak times. This trial will also allow us to compare the concepts of Limited Days and Limited Hours.

Additional Regular Speed
There is a gap in the 45-man regular speed offering between $1 and $6. Therefore we are going to trial a $3.50 using the same ‘peak time only’ method as the $60 turbo. There isn’t sufficient liquidity to offer a regular speed buy-in higher than $6 at the moment but I will look at this again in a few months. I realize it would make more sense to run the $3.50 all the time and the $6.00 at peak times. If they were both new tournaments I would do exactly that. However, the $6.00 is an existing tournament so removing it for part of the day might cause some confusion among existing players. It is also possible that having the $3.50 only at peak hours may cause equal confusion so I will be monitoring it closely.

Add a BB1000 Level
I’m going to look at blind structures in a separate post. I’m just flagging here that I have read several posts on this point.

27-man MTTs
The main request for 27-mans has been for the addition of turbos, as 27-mans are currently regular speed only. I don’t believe the addition of turbo 27-mans would increase SNG traffic or bring in new players. It is unlikely that someone who may play 27-man turbo MTT SNGs is not already playing 18-mans or 45-mans, so the probable effect of adding 27-man turbos would be to dilute players across three field sizes instead of two. I realise the same point regarding dilution of players could be made for the existing regular speed 27-mans. However, it is much easier not to add something than to remove it once it has become established. Removing a popular tournament is something we would only do in very rare circumstances.

Steve, ty for taking time to answer this. I think ur points a valid overall.

Also in which "peakhours" will the 3$ and 60$ run?

Please please add a 1000bb level!

I think most of us are interested to hear about this--
How easy is this for stars? Because if they could have tournaments
that never run off-peak be taken away from the sng "lineup" , then
having the lobby free of said '16/180 registering , 4/45 registering'
type stuff is just a win win for everybody.



Are you able to decide which MTT SnGs make it into the MTT lobby?
We've currently got $8/$3+R/$15 180 (turbo) and $4.50 180 (regular speed).
Why haven't you added the $7+R 90mans?
I'm not sure if you've observed but once you added them they've basically
stayed hidden in the labyrinths of the sng lobby and are not running
at off-peak times, maybe 2-3 at most during peak peak times and
usually 1 running otherwise.
So either add them in the mtt lobby or let us know your plans
for this tournament after their instant failure...

For the tournaments above, "peak hours" will be 09:00 to 19:00 server time. Regeneration will cease at 19:00 and if there is no one registered then the SNG will be removed from the lobby. If there are still players registered, the tournament will remain for a couple of hours and then be cancelled at 21:00. Anyone who has registered will have their buy-ins returned.

The start and and times for regeneration and the "kill time" are adjustable though and it would be possible to have different availability times for different SNG.

Steve

Thanks for addressing the thread Walmsley.
Massive fan of adding t1000 to 45s, and I like the idea of adding games 'on peak'. I think entims suggestions are very very good ones, having stuff like 35 180s showing at completely off peak times are pointless and if anything put players off registering when its stuck at 15/16 people out of 180 for hours on end - if they weren't displayed in lobby then they might register a $15 instead.

While "Peak Hours" SNG require more effort to set up than normal SNG, they are straightforward enough that the decision to deploy them will be based on whether they are appropriate rather than the amount of work involved.

If they work as I hope, then we would look at trimming the lobby in off-peak hours. There are a number of tournaments that don't run at all for several hours a day. If they weren't in the lobby at all, it would reduce the frustration of players who register for tournaments that don't run and might instead encourage them to register for tournaments that will run, even if the buy-in is lower, which, as you said, is better for everyone.

Another option would be to adjust the number of simultaneously registering tournaments to match the time of day, which is really STT-related rather than MTT-SNG. For example, there quite a few SNG now that have four simultaneous registrations. That could be reduced to one or two in off-peak hours to clean up the lobby. We could possibly look at adding one or two more in peak times as well, although I have increased the number of simultaneous registrations to five for some of the STT hypers for a few days as an experiment and it didn't make any difference. I think four is a good peak time number.

The MTT lobby is really for scheduled MTTs and satellite SNG. In a way, the cash SNG are interlopers and take up lobby space that could be used for MTTs and satellites. We've decided to restrict the number of cash SNG in the Tourney/All lobby to four and the four 180-mans currently in that lobby were deemed the best candidates. It's worth mentioning BTW that the $2.50 turbo 180-man is not in Tourney/All and it runs more than 3x as often as any of the Tourney/All cash SNG. Having said that, even if we could add more cash SNG to the MTT lobby, I wouldn't add a 90-man anyway. A 180-man is the smallest SNG field that would be considered for inclusion in the MTT lobby.

I realize there is significant demand for a 180 rebuy in this thread. However, we made the decision not to risk upsetting the 180-man eco-system (I won't bore everyone by repeating the thinking behind that decision ). Therefore the 90-man was an attempt to provide some compensation for players looking for a new rebuy. I agree that it hasn't been a success but it runs enough to retain it in the lobby. If we do extend the concept of "peak hours" SNG, the 90-man rebuy would be an obvious candidate to be restricted to a few hours per day.

Just trial a higher 180r. We aren't going to let up on this. It won't hurt anything to trial it.

Alternatively, on demand tournaments that start with 45 people.

You trialed a 60/180 without upsetting the ecosystem if you are so worried about that put a 10r/180 in its place.

Just one sunday why not try?

If liquidity (sorry, rake) bothers you that much for a higher rebuy 180 just rake the rebuys, I doubt it'll stop any fish rebuying, in fact I doubt any of them even notice! I know I didn't realise til I'd played hundreds lol. The correct step up in prize pools has been shown enough times itt and if anything I think it would increase everyone's abi that tiny bit as they will reg a fast loading $7-$10r 180 instead of a $3r/$8/$15.

Walmsley,
Has PS looked into adding a $4ish turbo 180 man? Currently its 2-8-16-35 why not 2-4-8-16-35 seems like it wont upset any of the buyins and the gap has to be hard for players to go from 2 to 8s.

ty for the 60/45s. just when i am about to play an off peak schedule for a while. lol.

how did the run today?

I didn't play today but logged on during peak time and saw that there were 0 running. Maybe just need a few days for more people to realize they're running.

What about less Turbo?
8$/180 Turbo only sucks! Same for 15$/180...
As you move up to >7$ there is TURBO only...

Would prefer more regular instead of Turbo!

What about 360 man 2 - 2.50's turbos? They would easily run for 8 hours

How long do those 360's take? Twice that of 180? A decent buy-in would be cool, like $5-6 or something.

Just tilt at this comment.

Hmm, let me see, what could be a possible remedy for this?

Oh yes, making it a 180-man like has been suggested all along.

I think a 5-6 360 would not run enough. I suggested 2 or 2.50$ 360 man because 250 180 turbos reg so fast it would only slightly slow them down and both would run quite well. Take it off after peak hours

I'd be willing to wager it runs more than the $7/90.

I think you guys should take the antes out of the 45 man SNGS, it just make it more varience, if you do this it will give the regs a higher win rate

but 5-6$ 360's would crush 8$ 180's action while 2$ wont its liquidity or whatever there always talking about