I saw your previous posts.

You know as well as i know that stars dont want more 180 reg speed cause of the rake. If people play more turbos they are generating much more rake for stars in less time.

Rake more the 180 turbos if thats the problem.

At least add one more 180 reg speed for a 2 weeks tryal period, just one.

I'm not doubting you when you say that there is a lack of liquidity at the moment, but then surely the follow-up question should be WHY is there apparently insufficient liquidity?

With a site as big as pokerstars, even if you can't really support a regspeed in the region of $20, there really should be enough people online, at least during peak hours, such that 180 of them are willing to pony up around $10 within, say, ten or fifteen minutes of each other, to get a few of these games going. After all, you get 9,000+ people playing the Big $11 every day, and a further 4,000+ playing the Hot $11.

As furo says, I think that visibility is a big issue here — now that these big tournaments have drawn those $11 players online, enough of them would play an $11/180 if they saw it; I'm sure many of those who get bad beat or coolered in the early stages would take another go at something if they thought it would start soon.

I understand that you are only allocated a certain number of spots for SNGs under the MTT tab, but under Tourney>Regular>All you have a bunch of great 180s, and somewhat incongruously, sitting next to them you have those absurd 2cent buyin 990man hyperturbos. Now, I'm sure they're great fun, but they don't rake you anything at all, and they still take ten minutes to fill, because other than degens and bustos, who the hell wants to flip coins for an hour and still only get $4.40 to show for such absurd rungood at the end of it all? Frankly, it seems silly that this has been chosen for that slot, over a "proper" MTT SNG.

If you removed this 2c flipathon from Tourney>Regular>All, and swapped it for, say, an $11/180, the increased visibility would surely go a long way to creating the liquidity you need for these to take off. We as players get a nice tournament which we want, and you would finally start to get some rake from this presumably valuable seventh and final spot you've been granted in what must surely be premium real estate at the top of the MTT lobby. I don't see how they would interfere with either the $8 or $15 turbos, nor should they really interfere with the $3.50r either.

If you don't want them there 24 hours a day then do something similar to what you've done with the Sunday-only 60/180s; spawn them during peak hours only. They could spawn every day between, say, 10am and midnight server time, and if the last one of the night didn't fill by, say, 1am server time, then you can just cancel it and return monies.


furo, I don't think the answer is making them red....

TT

worked with the DFG TT
once it was red the big11 had like 30% more players (maybe just 20% but you know what i mean)

If you arent going to add higher rebuy 180s or regspeed 180s, at least put the 7r 90mans in the main lobby instead of the micro hyperturb.

At least one more 180 reg speed. We have to be playing always the same ****, every single day.... the turbo regs have plenty of choice, we are the dogs....this is not the way you should treat your clients...

zoooom sit n goes with late reg pleasee!!

We've been running the two new 45-man tournaments at peak hours for about three weeks now. The $3.50 regular is running well and will stay. The $60 turbo is struggling. Last week it ran only four times.

It can be very frustrating for players to register for a Sit & Go that runs so rarely, so if it doesn't pick up this week we are going to withdraw it.

Thank you for the update Steve

Will the reg 3.5$ regspeed only be running in peakhours? Or are have u implemented them so they are avaible at all time?

Can u please comment on the suggested bb1000 level in 45man?

You guys need to fix the structure of the 45 and 180 mans. Average stacks should not be already around 10bb PRE ANTE. Either start them with a 3k stack or add in a 30/60 and 40/80 level and start antes at 50/100 level. Either way it'll only at 10-15 mins to the total run time and vastly improve the quality of the tournament. Recreational players have no reason to play a 180 or 45 man if they feel it's way way more of a crapshoot than whatever turbo scheduled tournament is about to start.

Pretty sure u got this all wrong the recreational players play cause it is a crapshoot and anyone can win a 180 mans based on luck its the regs and pros that want this so recreational players have less of chance.

I think there would be a better success if you had the $60 180 to run on peak hours instead and have it in the main mtt lobby

The $3.50 regular runs more often than the $6.00 regular and the $6.00 runs only rarely in off-peak hours. Within the next few days we're going to swap them over, with the $3.50 running 24/7 and the $6.00 being switched off at off-peak. It will be up longer than the current $3.50 though. Probably 07:00 - 20:00 server time.

We're still discussing the 1000 level in 45-mans. I know this has been a popular idea in the thread but any structure changes have to be considered carefully. On this subject, is there anyone ITT that thinks this is a bad idea?

thisthis, antes at 50/100 would be the nuts.

I completely agree with adding t1k to 45s. Anything to slow the structure a little bit.

It's the wrong kind of crapshoot. The MTSNG get so shallow so quick that recreational players don't feel like they get enough value for money. There's a reason even hypers start with 3k chips. Changes that favour regs of course won't "help" recreational players in the financial sense but that doesn't mean it's mutually exclusive for them to like it from a fun perspective. I think the current structure caters to neither demographic very well.

-1,000,000 wrt 180's

Wamsley,

Just want to ask your opinion about this topics:

Its possible to add just a tryal of 2/3 weeks of new 180man reg speed buy in? If no,its possible to run them at least on weekends?

Do you agree with the new structure of prizes for 180 mans suggested by awice? It seems to be a huge improvement, a great ideia.

I heard a lot of people asking why it is not possible to split the remain prize pool when there are just 3/2 players left in a 180 man sng. Its possible to have a "deal btn" in the final table so people could click if they are interested in split the money and make a deal if everyone press the deal btn?

Please give your feedback. Ty in advance.

Wouldn't it be great if Stars actually employed someone with big SnG experience. Why is anyone ever gong to object to the bb1k addition? Listen to us who are playing them every single day. There is no risk of anything whatsoever.

TY Steve, looks like a fair compromise!

TY for letting us know. Hopefully the 1000bb level will soon be implemented to the 45mans.

I dont understand what possible downsides there are to having a bb1000 level in the 45mans?

how about run the 60/45s on sunday only if they dont pick up? thats probably the day most have been running anyway.

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+1 to adding the 1000 level in 45s

and ty for the 3.50 reg speeds to run 24/7

t1000 in 45s gogogo

I don't think it could ever be a bad idea.

PS Walmsley,

if your thinking of changing the structure of the 45s, would you mind to post the proposed changes in here first for feedback?