Serious question Party: do you even make a profit? All those overlays must really hit your bottom line.

Revenue for Q3 2017 was up 73% on previous year. I think they're investing a lot of profit into getting more players from stars. By contrast the revenue at pstars only increased like 12 or 15% I believe.

I do think they messed up with the sunday schedule on monday promotion - big overlays there.

Not much compared to partypoker live though - more of those tournaments overlay.

I am not exception. Please read this thread more carefully because other posters in this forum have asked for slower micros. It probably indicate that player panel, composed of HS players, does not take feedback from low stakes players seriously and have their own agenda.

I disagree that you can play more games because they are shorter. For instance, I usually start my session at 6pm CET and I can no longer register to kick-off events because their LR is closed. If warm-ups were non-pkos and I could also play kick-offs I would show my support to pkos and would have 8-9 tables at the start of the session. Regretfully, I am left with $5 and $11 games at 8 pm cet because I don't want to show my personal support to your pko festival.

For reference, the biggest daily micro tournament of Stars is $5.5 Mini Daily Marathon and none of faster games surpass it. Equivalent to your semi turbos is bubble rush whose gtd usually don't exceed 1k-1,5k. It is pity that Party cannot learn that you cannot give the same structure to all games.

6-8-10 gaming experience is bad because you reach money after 2h40m, average stack is 20bb on the bubble and push-fold starts after 1h30m. In comparison 5 minute turbos reach money after 2h20m and average stack on bubble is the same.

If you have 8 minute clock at start you will have 15bb during second break. IMO, it is perfect time to close LR after level 14 (3-5 minutes after 2nd break).

Thank you for pointing this out. At least I have no more expectations from Party.

Wait, so who are they bad for again? If the payout is shallower, that means less fish get paid, so what's the problem?

Furthermore, if bad players like them, what's the problem if it keeps them around longer?

My point is that I really do not think you guys can quantify your position as much as sites can show that bad players like them a lot AND websites are not meant to be entirely tailored for regs anyways.

Is the position here that the site should listen to regs and that these tournies are bad for fish or that these tournies are good for fish and they seem to like them, but regs prefer regular tournies so they should switch back?

Think of a tourney where everyone gets paid equally. Literally nobody wins and everyone is out the % rake the site charges. This is perfect for the website because 100% of money gets raked eventually. PKO's are a LOT closer to this than normal freezeouts. Yes maybe a splashy rec with very little chance of making itm will pick up some bounties once in a while and play one more time, but overall it is harder for everyone to win in the long term, and in this case long term starts after about 10 mtts. It's just so much harder for someone to go on a sunrun when only first place is good money...

I see no evidence on party that recs like THIS many KO's. I'm not saying have zero PKO's, some variety is good, but to replace all freezeouts in a bunch of timeslots with PKO's is a trainwreck in my eyes. 5, 6 and 7pm timeslots are exclusively pko...

Your point about regs is a valid one and if party has data that 11$ and below players prefer PKO then they should tell us so and stick with it, but at 55$+ a large majority of players on a weekday will be regs and most seem to hate it, and for a large portion of them 109$ FO will be beatable and 109$ psko will not. At high buyins when regs die participation dies, fish stay away and party dies.

1) yep agree that you are here not an exception, question is how is an average micro-lowstakes recreational player is thinking, basically we can only guess and have no idea what they want.

You can get a better understanding looking at data about participation and so on.

We here do not have the data, Party has it, so i would assume they know more than we do here

The assuption that the Player Panel is a group of HS player is wrong and just an assuption of results beeing made in the end by Partypoker themself. The influence is limited as the panel can be asked for feedback but is in fact not asked for every decision party is making. Party can make use of this option, thats it.

Feedback is getting to the panel as well and opinions are shared very often with the opinions people on 2+2 have.

That this panel has its own agenda is wrong and a myth, bc people thinking that a huge company will listen to a bunch of players giving feedback.

The myth that Pads follows bad intentions is a myth too and plain and simple not true.


2) if you play on more Pokersites you will get a better fluctuation of games if gametime is running shorter.

Im even fine with having 10BB to MLR and rape every lowstakes game in town but where is the point?
Sometimes people argue that LR is too long as recs will only get 10-15BB and sometimes it is to short.

I get your point that the schedule need optimization and that it is far away from a "perfect" schedule.

As a player you have to take what you can get, meaning you have to play on more pokersites

It's more like people are either stopping to play on Party or altogether. From poker business perspective it is huge contrast from "we bring poker back to people"-attitude towards "eat what is given, we do what we want to"-attitude.

Just disgusted that your "panel of players" seems to blow up every good change that has happened in Party during two years. Sad to see that Party has stopped listening to players in these threads and instead listen to some small "poker council" who don't seem to understand anything about online poker.

I think Party_Rep should also really mention that Schmette is not speaking on Party's behalf, but as an individual. It would be very bad for company if his ranting would be seen as "official reply" which it might as he occasionally acts like one and there's quite few replies from pads nowadays. It would probably be best if you would get one account like "Party MTT rep" here in 2+2 which is used to relay / response on MTT issues, even if there's more than one people posting.

On main issue which I was posting, is it still so that extra seats won in satellites are exchanged to T$ after series concludes provided you play target event? With satellite leaderboard running you really should mention this in leaderboard page too imo. It would also be great if you'd mention when Main Event satellites are played on web page. Might be playing for leaderboard if I would know if I can play most satellites.

Also Ladies Event sats are marked with [M] which by website information would mean that they would count on satellite leaderboard. This is surely a mistake?

https://www.partypoker.com/powerfest...promotion.html

I think one of the biggest issues at the moment is the lack of communication from people such as 'Pads' who we we're told would be the person to provide us with info and the answers to our questions/feedback etc...He was doing that in the later stages of last year but, has since stopped and as a result this thread has become somewhat of a 'one way conversation', where people are raising a number of issues/concerns and getting no response in return.

I can see how it might leave some people feeling like there not being heard and that Partypoker isn't interested in what they have to say.

I myself find the way things are currently going with PartyPoker to be a bit disappointing.

I made the decision to move the bulk of my play to PartyPoker in the later stages of last year, due to the positive improvements they we're starting to make to the schedule (among other things) and the open communication they we're having with us in thread's such as this one.

Since then however, I have reversed that decision and moved a lot of that play away again to other poker sites, due to what I deem to be the opposite of the above happening. The schedule (IMO) is severely lacking in a number of different ways and some of the previous positive changes have been replaced with changes I see as being negative, along with communication now being somewhat non-existent.

I viewed PartyPoker as having a great opportunity to become the first choice of Poker site for players such as myself (much like Pokerstars has been for a long period of time) but, I now don't see that happening anytime soon with the current way things are being done and the (what I deem to be) poor decisions being made.

There have been what I would consider to be some great suggestions made in this thread recently, in regards to improvements that could be made and yet, it seems they have fallen on deaf ears. It's a shame because IMO, Partypoker could easily offer so much more to players than what it currently is.

Hi Colette

Can u explain a bit more how my pp live $$$ are going to work, I see a tab in the client but no tournaments! For example I’d like to go to the carribean at the end of of the year (if it’s on again) so ALL ur live event satilites are paid out in pp live $$ instead of seats like every event including dtd,Irish open,millions etc and I can build it up for the end of the year or only certain events count for it? Is there an announcement due soon how it’s going to work?

+1. Interested to hear about this too. Is it also possible to use PP Live $$$ to Online Day1s? Personally much prefer interesting European locations, partially because of tax reasons.

We added the PKOs to add more variation in the schedule
Not everyone loves this format as we can clearly see in the thread and from my experience - 2+2 users are far more vocal regarding these games than other groups/forums
These tournaments are however growing in popularity therefore management made the decision to add them to the schedule
I agree and will of course feedback possibly its been overdone a little and we will review and look to adapt the schedule
I have shared ALL the comments regarding PKOs from the thread over the last few weeks and will discuss it directly with the poker room management as a priority - they will not be removed however hopefully we can find a happy medium to please most - its impossible to please everyone as you are aware

I accept the feedback and criticism regarding the announcement of schedule changes - this is on me I will push to ensure changes like these are communicated BEFORE implementation


Registration changed due to player feedback - as above its impossible to please everyone
We increased late reg and took some harsh criticism for it so we reverted


There are many variations of players - pros, high stakes and lower stakes
These come from this forum, our multiple player groups and feedback from our live events
Some huge poker names head up the panel - including Patrick Leonard, Fedor Holz and Jason Koon
Our country managers feedback from multiple venues and we gather internal feedback received from players via CS, Social media etc


Further updates will be rolled out in the coming months
I have no exact date to share


This is unfair and I strongly disagree
The majority of my role in 2017 was focused on player feedback via these forums, our social groups, player panels and various global live events
Many, many changes were implemented last year due to player feedback and this is an ongoing promise - to listen to our players
We are open to feedback and discussion via multiple channels


Moving the Sunday schedule to Monday was not a "promotion"
This was due to the holiday festive season and essential for the players


I am the official rep and have always maintained the thread and interacted with the players almost daily
Many issues raised on this thread were noted and changes made last year

I can confirm Schmette is sharing his own opinion and is not posting on behalf of partypoker

Regarding the LB sat promotion and excess tickets for Powerfest all T&Cs will be published in the next few days and will cover your query
Agreed this should be on the promotion page and its already been raised with the team for review and implementation
Ladies events WILL count towards the leaderboard yes - all tournaments denoted with a M or a H will count towards the promotion
The webpage including the full schedule will be updated by end of week I believe


These should be live by the end of January
I have no further information to share and will of course let you know once its live and ready to go
There will be further press release/announcement in the coming weeks


Thanks

Colette

"Further updates will be rolled out in the coming months
I have no exact date to share "

hello,

you told us over many month the final update will come end of dec. or early jan.-

-i have no dec./jan. update, and you dont speak ab it anymore....can i/we get a bit more info PLEASE?

-and please just tell me why the re-entrys from the Players in the micro mtts dont in the prizepool? is this a house rule? or a mistake? or what ever.

-more "Variation" you dont get on this way...but on this way: different Kind of tournaments: hypers-2-3min blinds, deepstacks15min blinds, Turbo 5-6min blinds, regular 10min blinds..., with different start stacks etc. and 6max,8handed,9handed------SOME pkos are ok and nice.

(the structure now- late reg. /start stacks /and blind structure is not bad, better as before with hours of late reg....)- just to say something positiv!

sry for my english again excuse me

1 - More variation? If this is your idea of variation then you have a long way to go, the schedule is still so poor and i wish there were better choices so i could actually play on your site. Your poor offerings are genuinely making me look elsewhere. I don't mind pko's but to overload the schedule with them is amateurish and looks lazy. Please explain to me how the management could think that adding all these pko's would be a good thing? How can't they see this is overdoing it when we can? It also seems like because there are a group of people making decisions on the schedule, there are more mistakes, why do you have a team instead of 1 experienced person working on the schedule?

2 - Well i am stunned this is the best schedule you can come up with.

3 - Sure many changes were implemented, but not in the case where people made suggestions about the schedule and you implemented them, that has not been the case, was it our feedback that made this pko fest?

4 - where is pads?

The majority of planned updates were completed by the end of 2017 - however, we have many more items we wish to implement to improve the player experience on our site including improvements to the lobby and tables
It's an ongoing project and a huge task hence the increased time frame
It is high on our priority list for 2018

Feedback noted re variation

Re-entries are of course included in the prize pool, do you have a particular tournament you are referencing too, please?

Quite sure he mixed it up because of the tournament lobby is confusing when you used to stars. Had the same thought at the beginning of playing party.

Please reconsider that starting times at :00 - I think its part of your schedule problem that normal tournament just starts every hour. Makes no sense at all.

i made a screenshot from a tournamnet Lobby a few weeks ago -but cant handle it to post it here...but i remember it was the jabmicro kickoff: 514 Players 514dollar in the pool- and i made one re-entry. plus i dont think im the only 1 who made one...maybe im on the wrong way i dont know...

today i will notice the id of tournaments and post them here then ok

-the last Software update i had in november---and was waiting for the dec./jan. one...however...

1/2. Feedback noted
3. Feedback is gathered from various sources, not just this thread - not all suggestions will be implemented I don't believe its factually correct to say "no changes" were made with regards to the schedule Regarding PKOs we followed recent trends and added them to our schedule to add variation as many players requested
4. I have no idea - likely having a break after the festive season

Any chance that $T money could be given out for subsequent wins in satellites?

More variation means 3/4 of tournaments are PKOs?
More variation means no 6-Max, no Re-Buys, no Deep-Stacks, static starting times, same blind levels, same starting stacks...

I never said "no changes" were made, i said the amount of suggestions we have given compared to what has actually been implemented is way off, then you go and add all these pko's and i'm sure you can understand why we are frustrated.

Simple question, what is the reason we can't have 6 max, 9 handed, rebuy's, marathon's etc? why only same start times, same structures, same tournaments?

1) Lets be honest here, you grinded every fkn silly given Promo on party and played 7 days straight bc party was shoving money into people like you. Now you want to tell me that you stoped playing bc party is offering BS schedule?
Dude there are several Pokersites out there, if you are not capable of beeing professional and choose from different pokersite i would just doubt how professional you truely are.
I would be very sure that you stoped playing bc more of different reasons than the MTT offeriing on Pokersites. Offerings are pretty much stable BS over the last 1-2years during all pokersites, it is not like it got now much worse over the last 2 month. In fact game are getting softer and softer bc a ****ton of regs stoped playing for varoius reasons.


2) Seems like your readings skills are very well.....not.
PartyPoker CAN i repeat CAN ask this panel, so spreading lies over lies about people who are doing voluntary works to improve things for a change is just a impudence. But thats how you behave all the time, so not epecting anything else.

Your comment is a joke to Party_reg here which is forwarding any given feedback here too.

3) Rofl do i really have to say something about that comment....lol, shows exactly what a dick you are.


4) sure you are playing if party is donating money to you but minininini the schedule is so bad that ive stoped playing pokaaa blablabla

i try again to post screenshots here ...but i find no way im to dumb.

here some tournament id etc. :

id 156119830 jab micro Turbo 341players/341 pricepool
id 156484919 brawl micro warm up 1075players/1075 pricepool
and and and...Long list... not one single Player in every of this tournaments made an re-entry....

i did not Play them...and we dont see in the tournament lobby how much re-entrys was made by the Players.
other tournaments for example the micro contender yesterday had 725 Players with a buy in 2,20 and a overlay. etc. etc.

Ah yes, the necessary post-festive break - one needs to recover from all the stresses and tribulations of.... Christmas

Funny how everyone keeps crying about pko's but increasing numbers of entrants actually indicates (non 2+2) people like them ...

All right so there it is! The long waited story of humanity.

Tale of Partypoker

Announcement of August:
'Hi guys, the biggest updadte is coming, it will be the largest thing you have ever seen before'
I woke up early morning to run the luncher for update, clearly remember. Firstly I thought when after logged in and saw the monument changes like the blue table theme (honestly, one and only thing worths mentioning) was '**** yeah its 1st of April and I can make some really awsome jokes on my friends.' But c'mon, it was Oct for God sake.

2nd try hard after the most valueable changes:
'Take it easy guys, be cool. You will blow your minds after our next update in early Dec. Its gonna change your life and of course the schedule aswell'
Actually you were right. I totally blew mine when realised the dark painted lobby. The best part is coming now! Dont belive me Im just kidding.
Would you guess?
Yes of course, you made us satisfied with that PKO **** rain. Lastly we can resize the lobby. Its a huge thing. Isnt it? You could try harder because there are two sizes, a small one and a full screen. You got to be kidding me. Before I forget. We get the best filter system all over the word.

The last chapter of Partypoker:
'Thank you guys for the feedbacks, everybody agrees with everybody. Now we are realesing an other update just for you guys. Expected date is late Dec/early Jan (ok ok its the first weak of Jan or so. I know its totally my fault). The toruny schedule will be remake for sure and you dont have to wait anymore.'
Maybe Im wrong but the 'high on our priority list for 2018' in case of schedule is not the best news I have heard. Actually I cant wonder why Pads (and to be honest Brian) disappeared when you cant figure out how to do it instead of promising.

Im sorry if missed the dates but matter whats matter.