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06-14-2017 , 10:28 PM
+1 and add some 8fo 10fo maybe some 3r 4r deepstacks?
06-15-2017 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
$5.50 structures please fix to the same as the 22s.
can you provide me first with examples of what you think is unreasonably shallow? don't forget where they come from to begin with.
06-15-2017 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ThePokerBot
Does anyone know how I will get affected by having my account in GBP?

I want to avoid cash out fees but also I want to make sure there is no "rounding down" issues like on iPoker which may cost me more in the long run?
We do not have withdrawal fees
06-15-2017 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jambo227
having played some low stake mtts with the new stuctures, i have to say they still need some improvements imo.

Stacks are still too short with 2-3 tables left, just please make the low stakes 10-12 minute levels as you have done with the mid stakes, or even tweak the blind levels a little, its frustrating to play 4-5 hours then suddenly have 20bb stacks everywhere.
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Originally Posted by The Moo
+1 and add some 8fo 10fo maybe some 3r 4r deepstacks?
It's just a general feeling that they play too fast. Even tho it holds around a 30bb average most of the time, this drops to around 22-23bbs around the final table bubble. In general tho you just know thats its too quick. Average big blinds is not always the best indicator. As quoted at least two others are experiencing the same thing and i'm sure theres more. Ive played the $22s and that structure just seems so much better. I appreciate the work you and Pads put into the structures. I feel this one needs a tweak.
06-15-2017 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jambo227
i'm not sure what you don't agree with exactly? Surely you can see the schedule is very repetitive, if you like it that is fair enough, but many do not.

I'm suprised you think the gtd's are ok, they could do so much better, instead they have just put together a schedule with the same tournaments all day and somehow thought this was a good idea.
The only reason I posted was to let the rep. know that you don't speak for everyone. I like having regular 9 handed MTTs available at all hours. One of the problems with PokerStars is they have introduced so many new variants that it's tough to find enough vanillas to grind if that's what you prefer.

Of course gtds could always be higher but I don't see them getting raised any time soon. I'm in a 1 K gtd $5.50 right now that is overlayed. The thing is, it isn't prime time so I appreciate having these 9 handed MTTs available at weird hours all through the day. It means I can grind any time. It wasn't long ago their schedule was atrocious. There was about a 2 or 3 hour window with MTTs worth playing...then nothing for the rest of the day.

My fear is that if they introduce more MTTs to your liking it will reduce the gtd in the vanillas as the players go to other games.

I see PokerStars has stopped being about poker. They are morphing into a casino site and they no longer care about poker players. If PartyPoker makes their site all about poker and lets the other sites go casino, they can get market share and become a major player again.

What is more poker than regular old 9 handed MTTs?
06-15-2017 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
can you provide me first with examples of what you think is unreasonably shallow? don't forget where they come from to begin with.
The feeling i get from playing the low stakes is that the structure is great for the first few hours, but then stacks become suddenly too shallow and it feels like the previous few hours were a waste of time. I never register at the start because of this. It's like they go from too deep to start with but then too shallow at the end. I don't really understand the whole 30k starting stacks idea to then have 20-30bbs for the last few tables of a tournament? Increase the small stakes to 10/12 minute levels and that may be all that is needed.

I also think the blind levels here are too big of an increase;

1000/2000
1250/2500
2500/3000
3500/4000

would much rather have;

1000/2000
1200/2400
1400/2800
1600/3200
1800/3600
2000/4000
06-15-2017 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Adjusted
The only reason I posted was to let the rep. know that you don't speak for everyone. I like having regular 9 handed MTTs available at all hours. One of the problems with PokerStars is they have introduced so many new variants that it's tough to find enough vanillas to grind if that's what you prefer.

Of course gtds could always be higher but I don't see them getting raised any time soon. I'm in a 1 K gtd $5.50 right now that is overlayed. The thing is, it isn't prime time so I appreciate having these 9 handed MTTs available at weird hours all through the day. It means I can grind any time. It wasn't long ago their schedule was atrocious. There was about a 2 or 3 hour window with MTTs worth playing...then nothing for the rest of the day.

My fear is that if they introduce more MTTs to your liking it will reduce the gtd in the vanillas as the players go to other games.

I see PokerStars has stopped being about poker. They are morphing into a casino site and they no longer care about poker players. If PartyPoker makes their site all about poker and lets the other sites go casino, they can get market share and become a major player again.

What is more poker than regular old 9 handed MTTs?
Nothing wrong if you like how it is, thats fair enough, but i never suggested to have all different kinds of variants, i too like the regular mtts. I was just saying its a little boring imo to have the same tournament every hour, at least they could give us more 6 max or rebuys for example? And also give us more buy ins to choose from than just $5.50 or $22.
06-15-2017 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jambo227
Nothing wrong if you like how it is, thats fair enough, but i never suggested to have all different kinds of variants, i too like the regular mtts. I was just saying its a little boring imo to have the same tournament every hour, at least they could give us more 6 max or rebuys for example? And also give us more buy ins to choose from than just $5.50 or $22.
Yeah, I would like to see some $7.50/$11/$15. It's quite a jump from $5.50 to $22 for a micro player.
06-15-2017 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath




This looks sexy as ****, pls consider implementing this in all your tournaments, maybe can do 12 mins each or variabele time levels for 55+?
This was a structure used for a short time before it was removed, i believe this was the best structure and should be used as the main one.
06-15-2017 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Party_Rep
It was changed due to player feedback and will remain as it is
We trialed the ITM format and players complained so we changed it back
the max latereg and max stalling from these guys is really ruining the playing experience and the small fields gets unplayable when u get 2-3 hands per level.

Imagine if a recreational player that useally plays on another site happens to get a latereg table where everyone just taking max time every decision, what are the odds he's ever gonna play on party again?

Please change it back to itm only if u even gonna have this stupid leaderboard promotion that only caters to regs.
06-16-2017 , 04:45 AM
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06-16-2017 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Party_Rep
We never stated the points system was changing for Premium
Premium - like bwin is a stand alone entity
Our communication on this thread regarding points was all partypoker focused - no emails were sent to premium players
Regarding Premium benefits you need to talk to a member of your dedicated support team
If you are unsatisfied the option is open to return to partypoker
Saying PartyPremium is a stand alone entity is a pretty deceiving statement. You can't just download the PartyPremium software and make an account like i could at Bwin or Partypoker. The only way to get a premium account is to make a PartyPoker account and then get invited by your software. They don't invite you to move to Bwin f.e?

So its obvious affiliated to PartyPoker(I kept my existing account + details from Partypoker). Obvious I'm assuming that everything posted in this topic applies to me aswell. Like 90%+ of the things are. If it's not the case please explicitly state so. Like you should do for people who are getting invited to PartyPremium that they are moving to a standalone entity and they might not be receiving any promotions and p2p transfer.

Either way; my points are still valid; who created it and why was it created. What is the purpose of having this additional client?

I tried to move back, but i again received deceiving and plainly false information from Premium support. And you even said that they gave me false information. They told me I was allowed to make a seperate account on Partypoker for the sole purpose of sending and receiving money. And you told me I couldn't. Not that having that seperate account would be helpful if i can't use the funds to play lol.

Anyway I rather communicate with someone more competent than Premium Support. So if as you stated " the option is open to return to partypoker" I would like to do this. If you could move my existing account back to PartyPoker i would be very grateful.

Thanks - FP
06-16-2017 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Fanta Pomelo
Saying PartyPremium is a stand alone entity is a pretty deceiving statement. You can't just download the PartyPremium software and make an account like i could at Bwin or Partypoker. The only way to get a premium account is to make a PartyPoker account and then get invited by your software. They don't invite you to move to Bwin f.e?

So its obvious affiliated to PartyPoker(I kept my existing account + details from Partypoker). Obvious I'm assuming that everything posted in this topic applies to me aswell. Like 90%+ of the things are. If it's not the case please explicitly state so. Like you should do for people who are getting invited to PartyPremium that they are moving to a standalone entity and they might not be receiving any promotions and p2p transfer.

Either way; my points are still valid; who created it and why was it created. What is the purpose of having this additional client?

I tried to move back, but i again received deceiving and plainly false information from Premium support. And you even said that they gave me false information. They told me I was allowed to make a seperate account on Partypoker for the sole purpose of sending and receiving money. And you told me I couldn't. Not that having that seperate account would be helpful if i can't use the funds to play lol.

Anyway I rather communicate with someone more competent than Premium Support. So if as you stated " the option is open to return to partypoker" I would like to do this. If you could move my existing account back to PartyPoker i would be very grateful.

Thanks - FP
PM myself your usernames on both premium and party and I will pick this up

Thanks
06-16-2017 , 02:01 PM
$8 to $44 is alot better than the old $5 to $22, so thanks for that.

Do the $44 sats need starting stacks as high as 30k.Its np for tournaments but for sats players tend to just wanna win a seat in a reasonable time frame.With 6 min blinds, 10k starting seems more than enough.

Dont think any of these sats should be re entry if they are
06-16-2017 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by the_bridler
$8 to $44 is alot better than the old $5 to $22, so thanks for that.

Do the $44 sats need starting stacks as high as 30k.Its np for tournaments but for sats players tend to just wanna win a seat in a reasonable time frame.With 6 min blinds, 10k starting seems more than enough.

Dont think any of these sats should be re entry if they are
I agree the change is an improvement but it's nowhere near where it needs to be. Going from the 1-4 ratio ($5>$22) to 1-5 ($8-$44) is a slight improvement but the ratio for vanilla sats should be closer to 1-10.. for rebuys it should be 1 to 15 to start with (as this system has been made obsolete) but once it regains popularity it should be 1-20/25.

I can't fathom the reluctance to have rebuys? Is it due to lower rake? If so Party should just look at the last few attempts at running a $215 with a $1 million guarantee and consider that rake on low stake satellites that feed the higher MTT's shouldn't even be a consideration.
06-17-2017 , 12:33 AM
I just saw the leaderboard and agree it's wrong.

Currently working with management to fix it so that it's fair for everybody.

Need to make sure that game pureness is upheld whilst also not making it that whoever wins the uppercut wins. We will make the fairest leaderboard we can I promise!

Hope everybody is good and summer is ��
06-17-2017 , 08:04 AM
Weekly LB for high with 10 packages worked rather well imo.

But yeah, whatever you do to LB system don't let Uppercut / Title Fight winner to always land up as winner. Just let us know about changes before you change points system, please.
06-17-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
I just saw the leaderboard and agree it's wrong.

Currently working with management to fix it so that it's fair for everybody.

Need to make sure that game pureness is upheld whilst also not making it that whoever wins the uppercut wins. We will make the fairest leaderboard we can I promise!

Hope everybody is good and summer is ��
Hey pads hopefully you guys can make sure it stays 24 hrs or less anyway - weekly leaderboards far more prone to multi-accounting obv.

Also arguably unfair that the 10k package is only awarded to the high-stakes winner. Not a problem theoretically, but as it stands some of the guys winning that are stone cold crushers - not sure what party gets out of awarding 10k packages to people up 100,000 in 2000 games :P

I personally don't have a problem with medium leaderboard as it stands.

edit: also please make sure to keep tracking of people using 2 to an account. One player put up approx. 3400 points back to back.
06-17-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JAN_ITOR
the max latereg and max stalling from these guys is really ruining the playing experience and the small fields gets unplayable when u get 2-3 hands per level.

Imagine if a recreational player that useally plays on another site happens to get a latereg table where everyone just taking max time every decision, what are the odds he's ever gonna play on party again?

Please change it back to itm only if u even gonna have this stupid leaderboard promotion that only caters to regs.
I haven't seen much stalling at all tbh. Also many of the medium winners are not late-regging at all but trying to chip-up in the early levels to make an ft run.
06-17-2017 , 01:09 PM
One option is to make 2 leaderboards per week as well. Monday till Thursday and Friday till Sunday (Sunday has so many extra games that they're about as heavy). Or 2 weekly leaderboards so that 1st one counts ones which start 10:00 CET till 18:00 CET and 2nd one for 19:00 CET until 2:00 CET.

If keeping it daily, maybe using a bit different point calculation which gives less points for big binks and give just small amount of points for participating, more for cashing.

Well anyways gl making LB more effective, just don't ruin it.
06-17-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
One option is to make 2 leaderboards per week as well. Monday till Thursday and Friday till Sunday (Sunday has so many extra games that they're about as heavy). Or 2 weekly leaderboards so that 1st one counts ones which start 10:00 CET till 18:00 CET and 2nd one for 19:00 CET until 2:00 CET.

If keeping it daily, maybe using a bit different point calculation which gives less points for big binks and give just small amount of points for participating, more for cashing.

Well anyways gl making LB more effective, just don't ruin it.
That bottom paragraph is a good idea tbh. Less incentive to late reg because you need to make a run in the tournament etc. I guess the participation + mincash points are driving the late regs
06-17-2017 , 09:07 PM
@partyrep can you clarify party's stance of offering real money games in the following countries: Cambodia, Thailand, the Philippines. There are reports of people living in those nation's receiving emails that party is no longer offering services in those countries while other people are freely playing from there without issue
06-18-2017 , 05:49 AM
Hand replayer please
06-18-2017 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
I just saw the leaderboard and agree it's wrong.

Currently working with management to fix it so that it's fair for everybody.

Need to make sure that game pureness is upheld whilst also not making it that whoever wins the uppercut wins. We will make the fairest leaderboard we can I promise!

Hope everybody is good and summer is ��
30 points for all non-itm finishes regardless if first out or bubble.

This way it rewards volume + results without rewarding stalling.
06-18-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mystic
30 points for all non-itm finishes regardless if first out or bubble.

This way it rewards volume + results without rewarding stalling.
I guess it would 38p for 530s, 30p for 109s, some 23p for 22s and 16p for 5,5s for most usual buy-ins. They after all award somewhat different points.

Still not sure if this would be enough to eliminate big bink Uppercut/Title Fight-result -> LB win. Especially in Sundays when Title Fight winner gets A LOT OF points. Maybe just award around 50% of points for anyone not cashing what you would get from last cash place instead, if you can program it to leaderboard.

      
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