What an owngoal. You will split your playerpool, at least! You should cancel the e-wallet withdrawal fees instead this dumb thing...when do you want finally doing that?
It's funny to see that every poker room works harder and harder on reinforce Pokerstars in monopoly position on the market

With all the money that will now stay on the site and get raked rather than withdrawn, I hope you invest it in detecting bots. No bots/collision/ cheating would ever have been found without HH.

Your game security is pittyfull and you have relied on regulars to find cheaters. I hope you will step up your game security, bots don't use HUDs and without detection and players self policing the games, cheaters have an even bigger advantage over the playpool, regs and recs.

I don't use a HUD to exploit recs, I don't need to. I use it to exploit regs who are also using HUDs and I use HH to make myself a better player.

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The change #1 will not prevent fishes go broke.

Im not a UK player, but you have several people in here telling you their concerns. Please poll those UK players and see if you receive the same result. If you don´t then I will eat a pair of dirty boxer shorts...

from the internet poker thread:

1. Party can't REMOVE HUDs.

2. Party WON'T ban HUDs

3. HHs are provided in the software so eventually someone will make a converter and HUDs will work as before. It's just a matter for HM2/PT4 teams to write some code to adjust for these changes.

some people's thoughtsprocess is so ridicilous and selfish

i dont give a **** if party bans hud's, if it's the same for everyone

I agree. But:

1) I don't believe that Party has the capability to stop trackers to make a working HUD -> this would make it far more unfair to players as currently everyone can use it.

2) Effectively banning HUDs makes it near impossible for players to notice colluders at least in MTTs. And I don't believe Party has resources and will to search and find potential colluders.

If those two points can't be CERTAINLY done, HUDs should not be banned.

Correct.

The changes are meant to protect recs being hunted by seating scripts and table scanners and prevent datamining (not sure if possible).

Party are not banning HUDs are they can't monitor if someone is using one so they are sticking to solutions they can enforce on everyone.

can't log in right now, through online and mobile.....wtf party

1) it sucks, you guys are kicking asses of your regular customers again.
2) its a good thing
3) its a good thing.

Invest in fighting against bots and collusion, improve your MTT-Shedule and gain trust again in the community. At least you tried to improve which people giving you some respect. It could be better, but its a start. I hope you do not **** up the new Shedule and bring some nice things which people demanding.

We are currently experiencing some technical issues - the team are working on a full resolution.

Thanks

Colette

Hello Collete

In regards to the proposed changes, here are my two cents as both a cash and tournament player at your site:

1. I like the fact that players wil see the names of their opponents only once their first hand is dealt and I also approve that players wishing to wait for a cash game will join the room-wide waiting list and be randomly seated. It is fine and fair that the poker room behaves like in a live poker room where someone comes and asks for a seat. Both measures help to fight against the very predatory nature of online cash games these days.

2. I disagree with not letting ppl download HH or banning huds. One of the biggest differences between live and online poker is the number of tables you can play. The hud basically works as an artifical eye given that players can't know what's going on at a table if they are, lets say, playing 6 or more tables. Also, it is quite obvious that most ppl know what a hud is and that sotware like HM is super extended and everyone can easily get it. I am sure you are going to be far less competitive with other sites if you ban HH download and I honestly think that all you will get is fewer players playing fewer tables (affecting MTTs Gtds for instance and therefore the capability of attracting recs) and not necessarily levelling the field.

i cant login. says its internet problems. i have 100mbps line and 5 other pokersites up and its fine (as usual). Is there some techcal problems? was working fine yesterday.

Hi RPH

HUDs won't be banned.

Regards

Been on and off all night. Prob safer to not play tonight.

It doesnt matter sir. If they ban HH downloading, HUDs will turn out of date soon and will become useless.

Yeah you would be correct but they aren't banning HH downloading. They are just stopping to write HHs to hard drive. They can't do anything about someone making a converter for the new system which will enable HUDs to work (live) again.

And they know it, which is why they aren't banning HUDs and they haven't said in any words that they are banning HUDs. People are just misinterpreting it.

The change to not write HHs to hard drive is to prevent datamining and the other changes are to prevent table scanners and seating scripts from working.

Time will tell if the changes prevent any of it.

How does not writing HHs to hard drive prevent datamining? They don't write HHs to hard drive when you don't participate in the hand so that makes absolutely no difference to datamining.

Currently it can still be done with a simple 3rd party program.

And how does not writing HHs to hard drive prevent that?

Currently it's really easy to datamine for the datamining sites, it seems. Like I've been trying to say, the changes are _meant to_ prevent datamining as it's currently possible. Whether the changes will prevent it will be seen when they come live

I'm arguing that datamining did not require party to write hhs to hard drive since they only did that for hands where the player participated himself and, as incompetent as party may be, even they knew that. So clearly party's intention with the change about not writing hhs to disk had nothing to do with datamining.

It had to be about players using PT/hem/huds for their own hands cause that's the only area where it could possibly have any impact even though it's super easy to fix.

That's why I said they should ban huds and punish people who are caught breaking the rules, cause that's the only alternative that would deter people from using huds.

@Colette, do you know the new schedule for PokerFest yet? Also, will similar tournament ticket bundles be available in the vip store for pokerfest? I have some points that I'd like to use but I'd save them for the bundles if they will be available again.

Yes, Party didn't write HHs to your hard drive for observed hands but they were still being written in some back process that the programmers used to get the HHs easily. Same way TST was still able to get player info even though Party removed the info from the lobby. The changes are supposed to prevent both of these.

I'm arguing (well not really arguing as the Party execs I met told me this directly at the meeting back in May and a point I mentioned in my trip report) that they aren't banning HUDs because they can't monitor if someone is using one so it wouldn't be fair to make HUDs illegal as some would still be creating some for their own or for some small group's use.

That's why they aren't really banning anything but instead are sticking to changes that will apply to everyone and also hopefully prevent datamining, table scanning and seating scripts from working.

last i checked new pokerfest schedule has been up for a few days now.

WRT Pokerfest:

something like 12/14 $109 events have worse structures then their daily/weekly counterparts. the majority of the pfest 109's are 5k chips 10min blinds. the daily 109 is 10k chips 12min, the morning and nightly are 3k chips and 15min. the saturday is 5k or 3k dont remember, 15 min blinds. the sunday 40k is 5k/12min. just doesnt make sense the structures so bad on the pokerfest ones.