Hm2 a priority? how the f is it so bad then? Also, way to go discriminating ur early customers and forcing them to buy an inferior product by not fixing basic errors in ur program. You guys disgust me

Hm2 lol

Released a build that brings new tables to front of sng stack - and seem unable fix it.
Hud can't switch automatically when reaching hu - unlike Hm1
Memory leak, memory leak, memory leak, memory leak

and back on topic - fix the red line.

Just purchased PT4 too. Would have rather stuck with HEM but if they can't sort out such a major issue in this long, or even acknowledge that it is a major issue then I'm left without a choice.

For what its worth, my EV line was almost exactly the same on PT4 for the tournaments that I imported (excluding buyins that aren't supported by HEM obv).

I think this is probably because I fixed all the tournaments that had my EV as zero in HEM because I busted first hand. For some reasons any tournament history that has only one hand was not being imported properly. My solution was to copy and paste the hand history text in these files so that the hand was written twice and then re import them.

any one want to tell me what this red line is supposed to say? I understand it is an ICM calculation of some sort?

Most simply stated, it is a partial adjustment to your profit line (green line) based on some measure of luck.

I like to think of it as removing a small amount of the noise (variance) from the green line so that it will resemble your true win rate more quickly than the raw results (over a smaller sample). Note that proper sample sizes are still needed to actually read anything into the red line, but the size is typically reduced a significant amount.

The adjustments are based on how lucky you were in all-in hands (something that can be reliably measured). Note that all other aspects of luck are ignored and hence the phrase "partial adjustment". To measure how "lucky" you were in an all-in hand, you compare how much equity you had in the hand to how much you actually won. When you get lucky and win more than the amount of equity you have in an all-in hand, the line is adjusted down. When you win less than that equity, the line is adjusted up.

ICM is used to convert chip equity to dollar equity since we are adjusting the green line, which is winnings in dollars.

Thank you

http://forums.holdemmanager.com/hm2-...ml#post1770811

There is hope....

lol, they set a high priority to this 7 months ago supposedly, so i wouldnt get ur hopes up.

"We've recently re-assessed the importance of EV"

Yeah, people complained forevvvvvver, and only after a bunch of people said they would stop using your program did you decide to "re-asses"

How do you edit the EV line? I know how to edit the tourney results. Didn't know you could change the EV though.

i am prepared to take the hate for this questions:

Does the FTP super turbo EV calculation currently work in HEM2?

My redline is tanking; green line not yet; i am reviewing hands and i cannot figure out why... alternatively i am very happy if someone points me towards a "hidden leak"...

hidden leak in your game or with the redline?

Checking vs Chip ev filtering for number of players shoudl give you a decent idea if something is wrong. Pretty sure jdawg has been grinding ftp supers with HEM2 and redline so either your sample is small/running ****ty at card dist, or youre not good(enough)

thx ruse; well if there is nothing wrong with redline it must be me... (smallish samplesize; 1200 games as i am only playing on ftp when there is a bonus to clear...) back to the drawing board, thx for reminding me to look at chip ev/players

Are you using the latest official release of 7779? We made some EV changes after 7742 so if a lot of your games were imported with 7742 you should update and try importing your original hands from the archive to a new database.

Thanks fozzy!

i have 7779 now, but obv tons of games were imported before... do i need to re-import or was the adjustment automatic?

EV is calculated during parsing/importing so you will need to purge and reimport the hands/summaries or just create a new database and import the files. Creating a new database is the best method IMO and that way you can compare the before and after results to make sure it made a difference in the EV calculations.

Sigh

(cash player trying out STTs)

6max turbos, small sample:

* BB graph shows I'm bellow EV and doesn't look small

* Winnings graph shows I'm a bit above EV

Upon further inspection it turns out I'm losing flips in early (50+bb) stages and winning flips in late (10-bb) stages.

So, am I lucky or not?

fozzy,

I have just downloaded the last HM1 version (1.13.01 I) and finally my red line is working

so thanks for that, but how accurate is it?

I really can't say for sure off the top of my head. I am not completely up to speed on all the remaining EV issues. From what I know HM1 EV is still not accurate completely but I can't say how inaccurate it is without a sample to test.

HM2 EV should be very accurate now after our last release if the hands are imported to a new database but the code changes we made to the HM2 EV parsing have not been checked in to HM1 code and I am not sure if/when it will be.

I will forward your question to Patvs and see if he can give an estimation but the best thing to do would be to send me a sample of hands, for say this month, and Pat or I can import the sample to HM1 and HM2 both and compare the results. If you want to PM me your email address for hm.com I can issue you a 30 day HM2 trial code and you can do the import/comparisons yourself.

BB Graph is cEV (chip ev) and Winnings Graph is $EV (i.e. ICM based on prizes I think).

The easiest way to deal with red line issues is just turn it off.

1) You cant't spend EV

2) Most players suffer from extreme tilt because of it. If they are up $1k actual but down $500 in EV they think they have played bad and its not deserved. If its the other way round they feel like they are the victim of bad variance.

3) If its inaccurate, your best bet is to just play and focus on your green line. If there are some inconsistencies with how the red line is calculated then over an infinite sample of games the only accurate line will be your green line, so surely its better to just play and worry about that?

4) Any line in your HEM graph is short term out of your hands. My mindset and results improved drastically when i just stopped looking at HEM graphs and lines. All we control is our decisions. Better to just make the best decisions we can and let the lines do what they want :-)

Hope I have contributed in some way.

That's a ridiculous statement.

wow i cant believe this thread is still around. proud to call myself the OP of this one.

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