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****ing scammers

How dumb can one get lol

Im in buss!!!gl buddy...

hahahahaa skomi !
good luck !

hey lads just wondering is anyone in any good 180 man grinder groups on Skype.
If so please feel free to add me @ Kidstars19. Or if any of the good grinders would like to add me feel free i dont know many in the 180 community these days.

Gl to everyone this year on 180s!

Considering I could beat 2.5 180s at 0.50$ per game longterm, this would be around 18K per year as of playing fulltime excluding rb. I doubt many 3R regs are making a much bigger profit than this. One of the best grinders I see on SS made 43K w $3.9 profit per game, take like 1.50$ for rebuys he made like 30K. That's not much more imo and he's the best, mediocre reg can make 0.50$ per game at 2.5s.

Any 3r reg should be making way more then 50 cents per game.. like 5-6x more then that. Not sure where you get 50 cents from that's more like what the worst players are making.

Seems some guys just prefer to grind the 2.50s

$30 000 is the new $18 000

2s are faster so u gotta consider the hourly too

yea obv , i mean the regulars. Anyone making 50 cents (less then 5% roi) is prob better off in 2.50s anyways.

how much roi can we get in 8s games over a 5k sample ?

Not a decent sample.

But anything around or above $1/game is good

what's a good sample in 180s / turbos or not ?

10k

i think 100k is a good sample size

100k is a really good sample size, 10k gives an indication, 20k should be enough to know if you're at least a winning player in the turbo's. You can play with it yourself:

http://pokerdope.com/tournament-variance-calculator/

Source: here
This is from when there were only 18 players paid.

I think it is a tricky question and a little vague.
It will depend on how you interrogate the sample and how accurate you want or need to be.
eg. if you pass 100 full game histories over to a good 180 coach they will be able to give you a decent estimate of your roi over the near future.
If you just look purely at the results of 100 games it is pretty useless for any accuracy at predicting your roi (it is better than no results but very, very wide)

So the more information you analyse along with the simple results the better.

If you just want to use tournament results then you do need a massive amount for 180s to get some accuracy. As a rule of thumb if you are happy at thinking 2,000 games is a decent sample to estimate your roi for 9 seat STTs then to get the equivalent confidence in your roi you need 10x the amout of games so 20,000 games.

In 180s after 8k games your spread of roi will be roughly roi +/-10% for a 90% confidence. (In STTs you would only need about 800 games for this accuracy).
Every time you use 4x the number of games you half the width of the spread so 8k x 4 = 24k game sample you can have a spread of +/- 5% with 90% confidence.

As you can see just waitng for enough results to provide feedback to your game is not likely fast enough and so you would have to aquire some confidence in your game from other means like study, coaching, forums etc.

As far as the difference between turbo and normal speed games goes there is no difference in the built in variance we see at both types just the difference that standard games are longer and easier for skill to win through and so higher possible roi's. The spread width due to the variance is the same, still roughly +/- 10% for 8k games.
It is best to judge by profit per hour and enjoyment factor rather than any roi variance. If you can sustain higher roi's you get less downswings.

Let's say I want to know if I can be a winning player and the best ABI for me based on my hourly on different stakes.

Like I play x amounts of games :
2.5$ and 3.5$ w/o rebuy
or
3.5$R w Rebuy and 8$

based on what sample size I should consider the hourly as accurate enough and what % of confidence do we get then.

Hi guys , What about competition on February ( as it was on september )
Several teams , some dollars and go ?

would be in for an individual comp up to 15s, not really interested in teams.