Thanks to everyone who has posted in the thread. Based on what I have read so far, I would like to summarise what I am seeing from player feedback.

1) Either option #1 or option #3 appears to be significantly more popular than option #2. Option #3 isn't available yet so we can revisit any conclusions when it does become available. In the meantime, option #1 looks like the way to go.

2) Unlimited registrations (option #2) do have support from several players, in some cases with the caveat that all but one registration be hidden in the lobby. PokerStars policy is that all registrations should remain transparent. However, I hope eventually we will have a Sit & Go equivalent of Easy Seat, so you can choose how many Sit & Gos you wish to play concurrently and the software will handle the registrations. This is in the very early stages so it won't be available until at least 2013.

3) There appears to be a general consensus that four concurrent hypers for each buy-in works well. So a) we should leave this alone and b) as there is a greater volume of hypers than turbos we can use four as an upper limit for the number of concurrently registered Sit & Gos for a particular buy-in.

With the above in mind, I think the next stage is to look at what would be an appropriate number of concurrent registrations for each combination of game type and buy-in, within a range of 1-4. We can initially do this for a small number of buy-ins to test the concept.

As mentioned in the thread, at the moment 9-Max and 6-Max turbo are treated differently for $200 and $300, with 6-max being unlimited and 9-max restricted to one SNG. Both have a single SNG for $500 and both have unlimited for $100. For both 9-Max and 6-Max, I propose we leave $500 as it is now and have 2 concurrent for $300, 3 concurrent for $200 and 4 concurrent for $100. Everything below $100 will remain unlimited for the moment. Depending on how well this works in practice, we can adjust the numbers and potentially extend this to other buy-ins.

I look forward to reading your feedback on the above proposal

Hi Walmsley,

thanks for posting an update. As discussed, i think 3-4 is probably the optimal number for each level, and that going from unlimited 6max and 1 9max to 2 of each registering for 300s might actually reduce volume compared to the current situation. 3-4 of each means that people dont have to constantly return to the lobby or wait for new games to fill, and avoids the problems of having people registering for 20 at a time so it seems likely to be the sweetspot. Additionallly i think going to 2 of each for the 500s might encourage more action there, at a time when it would be helpful for people to be able to play more games to still hit VIP targets with the reduced buyins/rake.

thanks
Phil

$500 18mans please

PS Walmsley dont force me to play these boring 7$ 9man hypers for another month.. cmon, add 15$ at least and see how it goes..

and 300s too, both would be great!

Thanks for soliciting/listening to feedback Walmsley.

fyps

+1. How the **** can you add all these new cash game buyins but not at least some 15s and maybe 30s 9m hypers. Beyond ridiculous. Give the people what they want.

dyboss whats your sn if its not private. Im sure ive played a ton with you.

l.a.ruseman

As mentioned in the thread, at the moment 9-Max and 6-Max turbo are treated differently for $200 and $300, with 6-max being unlimited and 9-max restricted to one SNG. Both have a single SNG for $500 and both have unlimited for $100. For both 9-Max and 6-Max, I propose we leave $500 (Add 1 more lobby, similar to your plan for $300) as it is now and have 2 concurrent for $300, 3 concurrent for $200 and 4 concurrent for $100. Everything below $100 will remain unlimited for the moment. Depending on how well this works in practice, we can adjust the numbers and potentially extend this to other buy-ins.

**Additionally, adding $300 and $500 18 man's per Entim/Jackal's suggestions**
**I don't know why we have to open the lobby to view the players in an 18m - It basically discourages table selection in a game that is getting increasingly challenging to play and I think (unless its too messy) having the 18 lobby viewed similarly to 9m or 6m would be optimal
**Introducing some form of "make a deal" "icm chop" similar to what I think I saw on FTP (I'm not sure where but I've seen it) seems like it would increase volume on the site - I know there are situations where I've loaded too many tables and playing Entim head up would be less enjoyable than clicking make a deal... Similarly the option would be available to weaker players who on occasion, find themselves playing another weak player heads up - I haven't thought about the drawbacks of such a thing (can't imagine there would be any) since you clearly aren't required to accept an ICM chop - FWIW if this option were reviewed I think it should be a clear ICM chop or 50-50 chop as options only - I think adding to many options would have the opposite effect and hinder traffic
-Add more hypers - I won't play them unless the traffic/profit is clearly there but there seems to be a lot of interest in that direction
-Add more buyin tiers - it has been awhile since I've played low enough to have valid input but again popular opinion seems to be in this direction
-Lower rake or make the VPP multiplier of 6x standard across the board - Were talking about a game type where killing it is doing anything above breakeven and taking home rakeback, lets get serious..
-Personally think there should be a cap on the number of tables SNG players play - I'm aware of the flame this would cause so it likely isn't feasible - but its A. for their own good and B. for their own good (You can cap it at 35 or something - I don't think allowing players to essentially destroy certain games by being present in every lobby at every buyin tier in a limitless quantity is healthy for the games)
-I'm getting bored, there are other ideas I've had but I'm tired

Rhymes with vipers.

Just make sure the lobby looks cleaner than the post two above

Oh and in addition, not that my post wasn't long enough..

By not lowering rake or moving the 6xx multiplier into SNG's - you force even the MOST profitable SNG regs to evaluate other game types as viable options... You have lost countless SNG regs to MTT's/Cash Games and will continue to lose traffic in that direction if things don't improve/change - This wouldn't be an issue for you if you weren't the ONLY viable SNG option for poker - But as players move their traffic to MTT's they move a portion of their traffic to other sites - likewise can often be said for cash games, just due to how tough those games can be on Pokerstars - BUT, for a SNG reg Pokerstars is the only option, so I think (unless I missed something) its in your best interest to maintain a strong player base there - Since you have an absolute hold with no alternative on that portion of the market...

Make an option for any player to play another game after they have won (or busted
ITM?) - a popup window similar to what FTP had.
This can be disabled in the software for multitablers finding the popup inconvenient
but would be fine for anyone 5-6 tabling getting to see the next level $ buyin kicking
off

thoughts?

Make an option for any player to play another game after they have won
Anything that promotes further traffic im all game for

oh yeah and this and 6x too obv pls ;-)

I dont think that they will listen. It's fine for them to keep everyone hanging on to the VIP system as if their life depends on it.

Still I think this is the wrong way to go about it, volume, moving up, and many more important things for the sng playerpool arent stimulated when top ROI's are in the 0-3% zone. Maybe shortterm to squeeze out even more from the regs who need to play 14 hours a day, but def not longterm.

Be wise, and change something about dying environment of sngs, please.

Hey Stars, hope you guys listen, I'm a supernova player and support stars, I love the software but sometimes I want to put holes through the wall I get so pissed off at thinking about how much better you guys could be.

Here are my suggestions in order of importance in regards to SnG's.

-Scrap unlimited registration in all forms of SNG registration. (Clean up the lobby!) Surely even if the fixed number for some sngs is set to 8, it is still better then unlimited.
-Remove option 2 from SnG Lobbys, Use option 1 until option 3 software is available.
-Add Hyper- 3.50$ 6max+9max
-Add Hyper- 15$ 6max+9max
-Add Hyper- 30$ 9max
-Add Hyper- 60/100/200 6max+9max
-Add Turbo- 300 + 500 18 man
-Change the way 18 mans are viewed in lobby so players can see who's registered without opening view lobby window.
-Create a new tab, called custom or favourites under "All-1table-multi-table etc."
-Change to PS Walmsey's proposal for how 500-100 Turbo STT registration is handled:
-Upgrade the Sit & Go filter:
#A Clear button beside reset would be nice, so then we could easily enter or click what game + limit we'd like, instead of manually unchecking every format.
#A Save feature would be clutch as well
-Increase the fixed amount of low+micro stakes Heads-up Holdem NL hypers that are available to register from 2 to at least 4. (I recommend at least 6 for micro)
-Add another table option for heads up sngs.
-Trial a new format of MTT SnG's - 18 man 6 max hyper $1.50 + $3.50's
-Trial a 2nd format of MTT SnG's - 36 man 6 max hypers $1


This is really exciting, I'd love to be able to play and not have to be so reliant on Table Ninja, the sit and go sensei has a lot of issues and is always a struggle to get working perfectly but is still 10x better then multi tabling sng's on Stars without it.

I also think option 3, is very innovative and will be great for game selection during peak hours and effective during non peak hours.

I play a lot of 18 mans, I would love to see this as well.

And even if it's not the main topic of discussion here, I also strongly second all comments that have been made about doing something to improve the overall health of SNGs, rake-wise obviously, or structure-wise. The addition of the 150/300 blind level last year seems to have had a positive impact on ROIs, probably something to think about as well.

dude ur playing 15s only

guys, stop talking about rake changes, you dont want stars to touch it. It hasnt even been a year since the last time, dont you remember months of anticipation and hype and...............
its not like we can occupy tables in protest, so just leave it alone, let it be, leave the rake at the same levels as 7 years ago even tho game got 100x harder.

oh, btw, hypers are raked at the same level as turbo fifty50 that last twice as long+, isnt that funny?

option 2

It IS a bit ridiculous how cash game players get mad once and get a meeting with Stars and lower rake, and SNG players have been complaining about high rake for years and get ignored, or rake increased in case of last year . But what are we going to do?

its okay the way it is now.

$15 hypers and $60 hypers for 6m please asap.

Personally I helped in the strike to unite the players. But we got nothing in the end so maybe I shouldn't have...

The funniest thing is that when cash players planned a strike stars said that that is taking it a bit far and that it is much better to have talks about it.

We already know what happen when you ask for something in a civil manner like SNG players did. We get totally ignored!