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My short stack is limp My short stack is limp

11-11-2024 , 06:43 PM
How do you approach open limping on a short stack?

When going through the GTOw preflop charts, it seems like it's an all-or-nothing approach - either raising or limping.

In GTOw settings, we have the option to allow limps. It seems like the model simply replaces the openings with limping, but with a wider limping range. So then...

- WHY are we limping in the first place?

- Do we ever combine the ranges as a mixed strategy? If so, what frequency?

- Is it a situation similar to our approach in the SB vs BB, where we are either limping all or opening all (at certain stack depths)?

- If so, is there a training program where we can implement these combined ranges and frequencies? GTOw doesn't seem to have this (outside of range builder) so far as I can see.

The attachments show a button opening range at 12bb symmetrical stacks at an 8 handed table - with limps and without limps.

Thanks!
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11-11-2024 , 09:33 PM
I don’t like limping and letting the big blind in for free. I prefer the min raise when short stacked or the shove if first in the pot.
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11-12-2024 , 02:37 AM
I think the bigger question is: having limped pre what do we do with our limping range when -

a) we get raised?

b) we miss a flop, but have some range advantage?

c) we smash the flop
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11-12-2024 , 01:48 PM
The only place I ever limp pre-flop is the SB. I would continue to limp in the SB with a wide range when short stacked. Some of the time I will c/r all in.

If I have a raising hand not in the SB or BB and <15 bb's I will jam always. I hate playing OOP with a short stack. Also, with hands like Ax we have a good chance of taking it down preflop. People may call with 2 broadways which will turn out great for us a lot of the time regardless of whether we hit the flop or not.
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11-16-2024 , 06:54 PM
yes sb is the only place makes sense, super hard to develop optimal limping ranges when SS, better shove or fold
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