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10-23-2010 , 12:05 PM
nice guide. thanks
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10-23-2010 , 03:10 PM
my strategy is to raise 100% at the 25/50 level when no one ever calls and i can make a free 500 in chips
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10-23-2010 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by unrealzeal
my strategy is to raise 100% at the 25/50 level when no one ever calls and i can make a free 500 in chips
Have u ever played a DON? Donno what level ur playing if ur never getting called or 3 bet. And how exactly are u making 500 chips from 1 steal?
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10-24-2010 , 03:03 AM
Well, there are about 125 chips in the pot after antes so maybe his strategy is to stall hardcore, make sure only 4 hands are played at that level, and win them via steals.

I do kind of agree that 25/50 is a "tweener" level, not quite early levels w/lots of play, and not quite huge blinds desperation mode yet, so a lot of players tend to tighten up a lot. It also makes it really awkward to 3 bet b/c if you shove, you're risking a lot for a smallish pot, but if you 3 bet small, then you can get 4 bet shoved on and still have to fold a great deal.
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10-24-2010 , 03:17 AM
Yeah hes got something crazy going on here that we dont know about. Sharing is caring my friend.

Def worth a steal at this level but not stealing every chance i get. Ill pick my spots depending on position, players and stack sizes. I find that alot of the regs and semi regs know that people are stealing alot so they tend to 3 bet more than they should just because they are pissed ur stealing from them or something.
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10-30-2010 , 06:06 PM
@OP: Thank you for the time & effort you put in for this post.

I've been playing DoN SnGs at a "soft" site lately with €1, €2 and €3 entries (which all can be said to be at the same level) and I play them one at a time (due to low traffic and also being a noob).

I'm randomly alternating between regular, 6max and turbo versions of these DoNs to see where I do best, but it's a little early to tell (~60% win over 58 SnGs -ok lol sample size) with a small profit.

What I wanted to say in terms of contribution is:
I think limping in with AXs (where X is >= 9) at the early stages is more profitable than limping in with small pocket pairs.

I know pocket pairs flop a set about 11.8% of the time while we make our flush 6.5% of the time, but I think the equity of having the Ace with a rather high kicker justifies for this, what do you guys think about it?
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11-02-2010 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyper-Ego
@OP: Thank you for the time & effort you put in for this post.

I've been playing DoN SnGs at a "soft" site lately with 1, 2 and 3 entries (which all can be said to be at the same level) and I play them one at a time (due to low traffic and also being a noob).

I'm randomly alternating between regular, 6max and turbo versions of these DoNs to see where I do best, but it's a little early to tell (~60% win over 58 SnGs -ok lol sample size) with a small profit.

What I wanted to say in terms of contribution is:
I think limping in with AXs (where X is >= 9) at the early stages is more profitable than limping in with small pocket pairs.

I know pocket pairs flop a set about 11.8% of the time while we make our flush 6.5% of the time, but I think the equity of having the Ace with a rather high kicker justifies for this, what do you guys think about it?
Even bad players won't pay you off *that* often (need TPGK+) when you hit the flush, and hitting an Ace with A9 is kind of worthless IMO. If you meet any resistance you have to fold I think.
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11-04-2010 , 04:50 AM
^^THIS

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Originally Posted by unrealzeal
i'm 31-13 in them so far
WP Sir
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11-05-2010 , 08:56 AM
great guide thanks a lot iv just moved to stars dons and this is hlped me adjust to played 10 hadned rather than 6 handed dons i think brilliant
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11-06-2010 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyper-Ego

What I wanted to say in terms of contribution is:
I think limping in with AXs (where X is >= 9) at the early stages is more profitable than limping in with small pocket pairs.

you are wrong.

OP-cant agree on limp 88 at from early position bb20 and folding to 80 button raise..snap call...nice thread tho.
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11-07-2010 , 10:39 AM
Nice job! thanks
the vid resolution is quite small unfortunatelly
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11-12-2010 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroLimitsLegend
can I submit this to the admins to post in the video thread?
sure

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Originally Posted by fpokeryall
nice guide. thanks
your welcome

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@OP: Thank you for the time & effort you put in for this post.
your welcome

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Originally Posted by DONgreat
great guide thanks a lot iv just moved to stars dons and this is hlped me adjust to played 10 hadned rather than 6 handed dons i think brilliant
your welcome

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Originally Posted by someouts
Nice job! thanks
the vid resolution is quite small unfortunatelly
your welcome

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Originally Posted by Kajzer Sose
you are wrong.

OP-cant agree on limp 88 at from early position bb20 and folding to 80 button raise..snap call...nice thread tho.
probably true and your welcome
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11-16-2010 , 08:41 AM
Do you have any tips how to configure PT3 for DoNs?

Thanks.
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11-19-2010 , 09:43 PM
Thank you very much for your insight into the strategy behind DoNs.Did you start at the $1 level and just continue to work your way up as far as possible ? When did you start to add more games to play ? What do you feel is the optimum amount of games to play to maintain a consistant ROI ?
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11-24-2010 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RoyHobbs
Thank you very much for your insight into the strategy behind DoNs.Did you start at the $1 level and just continue to work your way up as far as possible ? When did you start to add more games to play ? What do you feel is the optimum amount of games to play to maintain a consistant ROI ?
No, i started at $20 level. But that was when they just started them. i was already used to multitabling. optimum amount of tables to play differs per person, just play as many as your comfortable with playing, i started out with 6, then 8, then ten, then twelve, etc. etc.
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11-24-2010 , 02:14 PM
Well done.Will be helpfull to lot of people

P.S I cant watch any of the videos

Last edited by disbeliever; 11-24-2010 at 02:22 PM.
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12-23-2010 , 03:30 AM
great post. only thing missing i think is a section on the higher blinds but your strategy generally carries over. i liked the videos too but i couldnt make everything out. if you could repost in better quality i would greatly appreciate it.
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12-23-2010 , 07:31 PM
very good read
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12-24-2010 , 01:42 AM
I seem to have much better results raising small pairs about 3xbb in early rounds and in early position aas opposed to limping. Reason is that you will simply pick up a pretty good percentage of blinds when everyone folds as opposed to having to play the bb from limping. Another reason is that by raising you are essentially stealing too, representing a bigger hand than the 22 or 55 that you are playing. You pick up the pot a lot with a Cbet after the flop, if called. Also, in my opinion, makes it easier to fold knowing you are definitely behind if someone reraises you after you have opened the pot. If you limp, then call a 3x by the button, you don't know where you are in the hand, he could have overs, another small or middle pair, or just be popping from position. If you open/raise he is more likely to pass with the crap and only call/raise with a solid hand. It's a small thing, I love your post and am pretty sure we have lots of hands together, but I'm too lazy to look it up now.
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12-24-2010 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by luvthegame
I seem to have much better results raising small pairs about 3xbb in early rounds and in early position aas opposed to limping. Reason is that you will simply pick up a pretty good percentage of blinds when everyone folds as opposed to having to play the bb from limping. Another reason is that by raising you are essentially stealing too, representing a bigger hand than the 22 or 55 that you are playing. You pick up the pot a lot with a Cbet after the flop, if called. Also, in my opinion, makes it easier to fold knowing you are definitely behind if someone reraises you after you have opened the pot. If you limp, then call a 3x by the button, you don't know where you are in the hand, he could have overs, another small or middle pair, or just be popping from position. If you open/raise he is more likely to pass with the crap and only call/raise with a solid hand. It's a small thing, I love your post and am pretty sure we have lots of hands together, but I'm too lazy to look it up now.
By that definition you could be raising any 2. You limp small PPs to set mine.
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12-24-2010 , 09:07 PM
Not sure if this is the right place for this, so I apologize in advance if it's not. I have a few strategy questions about the $10 DON's that weren't fully covered in the original post. I'll be brief.

I have noticed that there are a few very light shovers when the play get's to 8 or 7 handed and the blinds at 50-100 and up. If a known player who is a known light shover pushes on my BB, how wide is your calling range? Can I profitably call with any A or any pair?

Also, anyone have thoughts on playing AA with a short stack with 7 or less players? Is it better to limp, min raise, make a small raise or shove?

And, lastly, is 10BB the accepted threshhold for a short stack? Lately I have been waiting to start shove or fold mode with 8BB or less, and have noticed, esp when the blinds are 100-200 and up, that with the antes you can really chip up fast, so it seems like you can wait just a little longer, at least at the lower $10 games.

For a reference point, I have been playing the DON's on Stars for about 2 months now, and have played a little over 2,000 of them for a profit (around $.80 per, and I am trying to plug any leaks and move up, so any help would be appreciated.
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12-26-2010 , 05:15 PM
Loved it! just what i was looking for. THanks!
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03-02-2011 , 10:16 AM
thanks for the guide, it is well completing the book S&G strategy from Collin.
Now we have better understanding of when start loosing the game.
From my part in babies S&G i loose my game a bit later , let's say 50/100 or 75/150, it's my blind stealing time.
As you do it yourself i consistly looking the "volontary put money in" percentage of 3 players in my left and when it's quite high and when i have no choice (stack under 5BB) i push and pray with **** but i hate doing this.
As a former CG player that used to waiting before triggering , pushing hands because of crazy blinds is a bit frustrating at the beginning.
I'm just starting to accept this.
Afterall its the important point of this type of poker , S&G DON is about agressive play and pray but its quite exciting

cya
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03-02-2011 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jamah
thanks for the guide, it is well completing the book S&G strategy from Collin.
Now we have better understanding of when start loosing the game.
From my part in babies S&G i loose my game a bit later , let's say 50/100 or 75/150, it's my blind stealing time.
As you do it yourself i consistly looking the "volontary put money in" percentage of 3 players in my left and when it's quite high and when i have no choice (stack under 5BB) i push and pray with **** but i hate doing this.
As a former CG player that used to waiting before triggering , pushing hands because of crazy blinds is a bit frustrating at the beginning.
I'm just starting to accept this.
Afterall its the important point of this type of poker , S&G DON is about agressive play and pray but its quite exciting

cya

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03-10-2011 , 01:03 AM
dont know if the thread is dead, but a great read and +1 to OP.

Ive been playing 6max dons and have had an avg 16% roi at the 10$ games...testing out sites and small sample (just over 100 games)...weather i was on some sick heater or getting lucky, i dont know, but i think anywhere around a 10% ROI give or take even 3% is very very possible. weather you think this is reasonable/unreasonable, feel free to comment, i am a cash game player anyway, im open to anything right now. i literally just started playing these dons.

surprisingly, looking through my HEM leakbusters via stakes, my greatest accumulation of chips is in the 25/50 blinds stages....with ~900 hands played in my 100 game sample, im running at 24.64bb/100 there....it seems i accumulate my chips early/mid stages then tighten up quite a lot, at the 100/200 stages. (leak or not? i think it is?..) winrates from here are at -5...anything higher than 200/400, 6 max is quite rare, for 6 max, at least on the site im playing now...a lot of desperation shoves happen here and its somewhere you either run hot or not, my 3bet% is 4.4 which, i dont know is quite high? i guess? though that could be because i find myself playing the early stages of these tournys like a cash game strategy...agian prolly a leak, but i was just pissing around.

i totally agree with looking for spots rather than hands...grow a pair and raise IMO,

i know this isnt my thread but i would love to continue it, open for discussion with me right now, GL to all
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