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05-06-2023 , 01:15 PM
Relatively new to MTTs, confused on whether I should've played these spots differently after the bubble bursts.

MTT Structure: $200 buy-in, 25 minute blinds

official payouts:
1st: $3639
2nd: $2250
3rd: $1491
4th: $1057
5th: $795
6th: $634
7th: $534

8 people left after 6 hours in, and we agreed on giving 8th place $30 from each remaining player for $210 total

First spot:
Level 15, 12000/6000 blinds with 12000 BB ante

UTG 100000
MP1 140000
MP2 250000
MP3 180000
CO (HERO) 154000
BU 300000
SB 144000
BB 60000

Folds to HERO with pocket 10s. With a bit less than 13 bigs, I decided to jam. I get snap-called by SB with pockets Ks. Should I instead be min-raising/limping? And then calling any raise from SB/BB? SB and BU have been relatively tight since the final table formed, and it was SB's first hand played at the table, so I feel like if I just min-raised I could find a fold against a SB jam.

Second spot:
Level 15, 12000/6000 blinds with 12000 BB ante

UTG (HERO) 36000
MP1 300000
MP2 300000
MP3 60000
CO 100000
BTN 140000
SB 250000
BB 180000

I get T8off in the UTG. I decide to jam with 3 bbs, as I figure it'd be worth risking this hand over the next hand where I'd only be left with 1 bb to all-in with and no fold equity.

Everyone folds to the SB, who calls me off with pocket Aces and busts me out in 8th for a cash out of $210.
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05-06-2023 , 03:22 PM
First hand:
To limp call (or fold to shove) or raise fold TT is a waste of hand strength that can only be correct with hypothetical funny opponents.
Shoving or raise calling are standard moves.
Your opponents need to be so exploitable that you can literally print money raising a napkin and a UNO card. Are you expecting them to just call your min-raise with 99/88/77/A9s etc?

Second hand T8o is slightly loose I would prefer a bit tighter like T9o but that still fine especially if BB can fold (he should call ATC)
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05-08-2023 , 12:41 PM
I would defintely shove TT on the first hand. But min-raise call is fine. (I just think that online especially, you'll get a lot more calls with dominated hands with the shove at 13 bbs than a min-raise.

Second hand I think is pure math (unless you have exploitive info like calling ranges are too loose or too tight). Is your equity (you really should not have any fold equity) for shoving 3 bbs into the entire table better with T8o or calling off the next hand vs. the entire table with 1 bb. I think it's pretty close.
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05-08-2023 , 03:01 PM
First hand I would Shove.
Second hand I would Shove and we are out.

Save up for another buy-in.
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05-08-2023 , 06:39 PM
Hand 1: This is a raise/call or a shove. Raise/fold is not an option with these stack sizes

Hand 2: It's either go with this hand or call off with whatever you get next hand.
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05-11-2023 , 06:22 PM
Hand 1: min raise/call or open shove. Either is fine. Can't fold it at any point based on the info you had. You'd have to have a really strong read that any one of the button, sb, and/or bb had a super super tight 3! range to even think of min-open/folding.

Hand 2: this is equivalent to a 12.5% ante if it were a traditional "everyone antes" instead of a bb ante (12,000x.125 = 1,500. 1,500x8 = 12,000).

Since this is 8-handed, you're open shoving from the equivalent of +1 at a 9-handed table. With 3 bb's from +1 at a 9-handed table, you can shove 46% of hands.

22+, Ax+, K2s+, K6o, Q2s+, Q8o+, J5s+, J9o, T6s+, T8o+, 96s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s.

Edit: I believe at stack sizes such as 13-15 bb's from later positions, solvers do advocate for open limping with some stronger and some weaker parts of your playing range.
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05-11-2023 , 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheldog
Relatively new to MTTs, confused on whether I should've played these spots differently after the bubble bursts.

MTT Structure: $200 buy-in, 25 minute blinds

official payouts:
1st: $3639
2nd: $2250
3rd: $1491
4th: $1057
5th: $795
6th: $634
7th: $534

8 people left after 6 hours in, and we agreed on giving 8th place $30 from each remaining player for $210 total

First spot:
Level 15, 12000/6000 blinds with 12000 BB ante

UTG 100000
MP1 140000
MP2 250000
MP3 180000
CO (HERO) 154000
BU 300000
SB 144000
BB 60000

Folds to HERO with pocket 10s. With a bit less than 13 bigs, I decided to jam. I get snap-called by SB with pockets Ks. Should I instead be min-raising/limping? And then calling any raise from SB/BB? SB and BU have been relatively tight since the final table formed, and it was SB's first hand played at the table, so I feel like if I just min-raised I could find a fold against a SB jam.

Second spot:
Level 15, 12000/6000 blinds with 12000 BB ante

UTG (HERO) 36000
MP1 300000
MP2 300000
MP3 60000
CO 100000
BTN 140000
SB 250000
BB 180000

I get T8off in the UTG. I decide to jam with 3 bbs, as I figure it'd be worth risking this hand over the next hand where I'd only be left with 1 bb to all-in with and no fold equity.

Everyone folds to the SB, who calls me off with pocket Aces and busts me out in 8th for a cash out of $210.

H1 shove is fine. I might only min open with AA and KK here to exploit. Easy to get stack in post say if bb defends. Shove is perfectly fine. Bad luck. I would call a 3! Shove anyways so might as well take all of your food equity and use it. When we get folks to fold kq or kj/qj, we do really well in denying equity. 99 or 88 might call you also.

H2- I would open and leave just a little behind hoping folks don’t realize you are all in. Maybe it gets all folds. Normally people know but say you have 3bb. I might open to 2.8bb live and hope folks don’t look and just fold. You never know, maybe you get a complete walk and pick up the blinds. Sure people normally look but you never know. Online- my old coach would say open below the all in and hope folks are multitabling and not paying attention. I would open to as
Big as you can and leave behind chips. You can also fold if it goes day 3-4 all ins for a $$$ up movement (pay jump).
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05-12-2023 , 03:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubblebust
I would defintely shove TT on the first hand. But min-raise call is fine. (I just think that online especially, you'll get a lot more calls with dominated hands with the shove at 13 bbs than a min-raise.)
It's definitely live, with the BB ante and the agreement to pay the bubble boy.

That said, I think it's a shove. I guess you could raise/call. I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes EV-wise, and with the ICM situation I'm happy to pick up a pot that allows me to put a little more distance between myself and the stacks that are slightly behind me in chip count.

Second hand, given that you have to post a BB ante next hand and you'll have to call off with whatever you have, shove is OK.

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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
H2- I would open and leave just a little behind hoping folks don’t realize you are all in. Maybe it gets all folds. Normally people know but say you have 3bb. I might open to 2.8bb live and hope folks don’t look and just fold. You never know, maybe you get a complete walk and pick up the blinds. Sure people normally look but you never know. Online- my old coach would say open below the all in and hope folks are multitabling and not paying attention. I would open to as Big as you can and leave behind chips. You can also fold if it goes day 3-4 all ins for a $$$ up movement (pay jump).
That's clever, I like it. Leave one chip behind perhaps.

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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
food equity
Although this is now my new favorite typo.
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