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Originally Posted by killer_kill
Yeah, for some reason I didn't even factor just ripping pre. That's def way better.
Yeah, upon reflection I'm thinking that's the best play too.
I'm figuring out that I'm way to tight-passive in these spots.
I just ran some scenarios assuming Hero has a stack of 15bb, that BTN's open is to 2.5bb and his range is ~39-40%.
I ran it four times with villain folding 66.7% of his range to our shove, 60% of his range, 50% of his range, or only 30% of his range......it's a solid EV+ for us in all four scenarios.
The amount to which it is positive gets smaller the more often he calls. Realistically, he's probably rarely folding as often as 66.7%, except when his stack isn't much bigger than ours [and we're near the bubble].
On the flip-side, I can't see him calling much more than 70%: that's already got hands like 22, A2s, A5o, K8s, T9s, etc calling.
Bottom line: I need to be jamming A LOT wider than I have been in this spot.
Which brings me to my follow-up question:
what is the rock-BOTTOM of our shoving range here?
fwiw, looking at the hypotheticals I was playing around with above, I have to get all the way down to Q8s before it's even an EV neutral play, and that's with him folding only 30% of his range to our shove (unless I'm completely botching the math).
Hands like J9o become a small EV- play (again: IF he's folding only 30% of his range). If we can reasonably expect him to fold 40%, however, even J9o is a neutral to marginally EV+ shove.
Basically, with the pot size and the 0.5bb we've already invested, this is looking like
nearly any hand I might reasonably play from the SB when facing a BTN open should be jammed.
Does that sound about right?