Yeah tell me about it. The 38s are even worse obv. They run even slower than the 60s most of the time. I mix in like 9/3 27s/38s then go make a sandwich or something.

the problem with this is when everybody starts to play regulars the turbos will become much more profitable again.. so this goes nowhere unless you find a game with huge profits and tell no one about it

games would be so much better if the marginal 16+ tablers that lose money even after rakeback/bonuses would just go the hell away.

why would you want to 16 table and loose money? it just seems really stupid to me.

and i know a few of you are reading this so post a reply and explain why you are so dumb.

I'm stubborn.

are you dana gordon ?

John, i assume they think they are winners and running bad.

I wish.

+1

I do the same - if 1 person is registered, I'll take a quick look to see who it is
I'll still register though

Set up a SNG regulars' alliance and set up a playing schedule for everyone

Whats the solution?

I mean I think this is a big turning point in STT's online. Maybe I am being overly dramatic and this happens every year but we got enough smart people around here that I think we can figure out how to fix this.

Ideas....

Sticky about game selection.
Reg in games with only one other player period.
Public humiliation for players that disregard.


I have a hard enough time beating the 16's anyway so I try my hardest to game select all the time but TFG seems to be in all my fing games #$%^#$%^%^$%#$&^$%$& all the time. Are you targeting me? Nothing but love man but I dont like playing with you sir.

this could all be fixed if poker gets legalized, more rooms , better rake back due to competition amongst rooms, spread players, fun!

Sounds great but that won't happen. People just need to be smart about things. The problem is there are more and more good players and less fish(especially w/economy). I think some regs will get out because the games will suck, some will get better, but the important part is getting more fish into the games. I think the American Poker sites are tougher than non USA sites currently(from what i have heard) and some of the non USA sites offer better rakeback deals. Knowing this, it is often surprising to see players that have access to any site grinding in these reg filled games.

Well at least you can take some consolation that many of them won't be winning players for long.

There really isn't much you can do, most of the breakeven dumb regs who don't pay attention and overreg i'd prefer in my sngs than most other regs so im not going to tell them to stop regging over me. There are certainly players who should know better who reg into 60s that probably make them losing/BE players but if they havent adjusted by now im assuming they dont care and want fpps/are lazy.

The solution is the same in any predator/prey relationship when the prey gets scarce, the predators die off or go find other areas to hunt. Then we get back to some kind of equilibrium. Then the predators have it good for a while, then more move in, and the cycle repeats. The only real fear I have is that the economy is going to keep shrinking the prey pool.

The problem is the marginal winning players overstacking and becoming breakeven, and winning players w/ SN or SNE rakeback.

They don't make much money, but they do take our ev by being in the sngs.

SNGs aren't really advertised that much and aren't getting very many new players. Everyday more and more people are figuring out how to beat sngs, switching to another game is prob the best option.

A group is a dumb idea, its very easy to avoid reg filled games at the 16s and below, and theres nothing you can do at higher levels if you ever want to play.

Even though I don't understand how someone would need to be told that a game with 4 regs already reg'd for it isn't a very profitable game to join for any player , making an addition to the FAQ about game selection would seem to be the only thing anyone can do to improve the situation besides adjusting your own game selection habits. Something similiar to what CJ's posted here along , if I remember right there was mention of game selection in the ROI section , maybe set that up under it's own heading ?


Maybe there are a few out there that are genuinely unaware of how much the games can be hurt when they do get overly reg infested.

I'm doing what I need to do concerning game selection , even to the point that I've bailed out on some tables I was the 1st to open b/c they got too infested, but I'd obviiously prefer if this was unneccessary. Really surprised that it is.

I've seen regs i've played 1k hands with jump into games already with 4 in them and laughed as i bailed and left them to wallow in their crap. I can afford to load up a game below and have it start a minute later.

Even though I think the games are still very profitable for any good reg and don't share some of the "doom and gloom" opinions shared by others , no one can complain about more profit for everyone.

i guess so. but at what point do caprioli and dana gordon realize they suck and find something else to do with their money?

oh wait, caprioli is on kamel's list of great players to avoid. i guess caprioli is just running bad over his last 15,000 sng's because if kamel said he is great he must be great.

Just to bump this thread and give my own experience on Party Poker last week:

The toughest games I've ever experienced on Party 22s and 33s last week. There was a confluence of 3 concurrent promotions:

* Double Party Points on Sitngos
* $1500 bonus to Palladium lounge members
* Palladium Passport bonus that extends through all of February

These 3 together meant that every single high volume grinder on Party was at the tables 24/7. I couldn't find a table without at least 6 regs on it for a few days. However I was too stupid to stop playing or move down because of the aforementioned promotions.

I ended up clearing $600 worth of bonus and god knows how many bonus points, but at a loss of around 100 buyins. The biggest downswing of my sitngo career. Now sure some of it is variance but I am 100% positive the competition didn't help either.

I was forced to move down to the 11s for bankroll reasons, the difference is incredible.

Game selection is very important.

Everyone,

Literally half of this thread, if not more, is people rehashing how many multi tabling regulars exist at STTs nowadays. Those posts happen to mainly be BBV. We understand that there exist many regulars nowadays. Re-stating the obvious, and continuing to apply it to other buy in levels just to make sure that everyone gets the idea, simply does nothing. The same with telling us your story of the games you play and how many regs there are. If you keep up with SNGs, you know this. If you have nothing to add to the content of the OP ("there are so many regs omg" does not count), or do not have any questions for him or for discussion, or pretty much anything other than 'omgwtfregs', say nothing.

To combat the issues of tough SNGs, you can learn how to game select and adjust your playing schedule if necessary, look into adding other variations and forms of poker into your regiment, look into moving out of the U.S, or look into another hobby or profession as the case may be.

lolololololololllllllll +1

Game selection when your average $55 9man on tilt fills up in 5mins+ is -EV to your hourly win rate. And say you decide to join a diff SNG than those of the regulars, once it begins to fill up they wil end up joining it regardless.

FAK AFF REGS

I don't think it's -EV.


It's -hourly rate.

What i find funny about this thread is that there are some people who actually want break even or losing regs to stop playing... i know everyone would rather have 8 complete donkmaniacs at my table every day, but seriously, i would never wish some of those break even guys who mega table stop either.

IMO it only takes 1 bad player for a sng to be profitable, obviously the more bad players the better, but i think instead of worrying about it, the solution is always to adapt and be ahead of the curve, table selecting is great if you can do it, but the other side is looking for ways to exploit the players who already playing your games and turn them into losing players, if they are marginal or break even make sure you know their leaks and go from there.

i think we're at the point where seeing 8 fish show up every day is over, but seeing 8 marginal/think they have a clue/still unprofitable players show up isn't and that to me is still a very good situation.

plus if they keep offering/improving rakeback then sng's will always be profitable IMO

Number of regs isn't a problem.

Problem is that some of them are TOO STUPID or TOO IGNORANT to realize that loading into SNG where are already 4 other decent regs is just stupid.

I was playing 6 hours straight today, and only thing that tilted me was this. Is it so difficult to realize how it hurts us all, and how easy is to solve it? 16s are loading super fast, so can't some of you just wait 3 minutes until other regs are loaded? It doesn't mean you have to take a break, since 90% of the regs play cont so if you are busted at 2 tables you have still 16 or I don't know how many running, so where TF is the problem?

I think we should all respect some kind of 3 regs rule. Today when Simplicity was loading his 30 tables, I waited 4 mins to avoid tables where 3-4 other regs were already, registered in couple more as 2nd, and when the first of those tables opened there were PanJ, Chris Hansen and Glitlr + one average guy (no idea in which order they registered). Guys do you really think ANYBODY is making money sitting at this table?

Once I saw this I unregistered from next 3 tables (with same people in) and registered in next 3 with ONLY me and Simplicity.

Maybe that's the reason why I was running so good today. GUYS THINK ABOUT IT PLEASE.