kk's is this avoidable ? - Page 2 - MTT Poker Strategy - Multi Table Tournament Poker Forum

Flip a coin. If it lands on heads, shove. If it lands on tails, shove. Profit.

The odds of KK running into AA is 4.4% (or 21.8:1). Flatting can be fine in some settings, however in a donkament like this you will get paid off by worse than AA easily enough of the time for it to be EV+ to ship it.

05-20-2010 , 10:17 AM

#27

BIG_Dave's_Rave

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Dereds is completely right about some of the responses in this thread and its been happening a lot in this forum.

OP wp very standard

05-20-2010 , 01:50 PM

#28

MiscDirection

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I think this is the first thread where i've actually seen someone put up some numbers as to why you should never fold KK preflop. Legit responses ITT wow...

05-20-2010 , 02:00 PM

#29

pompeypoker

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this thread deserves trolling.
i mean if you have a hud, and it says he's 3betting ~13% in situations like this, it's hard to see how you can be dumb enough to think you can not want to get KK in for ~40bbs.
and OP called somebody that was clearly defending him a prick...

EDIT: just realised most people don't have their hud configured to show '3bet from sb', don't make too much difference though.

Last edited by pompeypoker; 05-20-2010 at 02:07 PM.

05-20-2010 , 04:14 PM

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zecasaralegu

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06-24-2010 , 04:47 PM

#31

JustifiableCause

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Theres really no way of avoiding a KK vs. AA showdown. I was going to try to come up with a good analogy to follow that up with, but I'm not.
Goodbye.

06-24-2010 , 04:49 PM

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ftn_chris

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JustifiableCause

Theres really no way of avoiding a KK vs. AA showdown. I was going to try to come up with a good analogy to follow that up with, but I'm not.
Goodbye.

ban for stupid bumps

06-24-2010 , 05:23 PM

#33

PokerBreed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JustifiableCause

Theres really no way of avoiding a KK vs. AA showdown. I was going to try to come up with a good analogy to follow that up with, but I'm not.
Goodbye.

lol did you search "KK fold" in ssmtt and decided to bump?

06-24-2010 , 05:33 PM

#34

realsheesha

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerBreed

it's just a cooler. never fold KK pre in micro stakes

Such a dumb response. As if you should fold KK pre more often when the stakes are higher. Probably less if any.

06-24-2010 , 05:37 PM

#35

JustifiableCause

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerBreed

lol did you search "KK fold" in ssmtt and decided to bump?

I don't know what a "bump" is... (please elaborate).

06-24-2010 , 05:39 PM

#36

PokerBreed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by realsheesha

Such a dumb response. As if you should fold KK pre more often when the stakes are higher. Probably less if any.

When I'm talking about micros, don't make the assumption that I'm saying hsmtts are the opposite.

On another note, **** you

06-24-2010 , 05:39 PM

#37

JustifiableCause

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Nvrmnd I just got it now... I reopened this sub par topic. and now ya'll are mad and are gonna say some naughty things to me.

I will avoid doing this in the future unless it is a really good subject.

06-24-2010 , 05:43 PM

#38

realsheesha

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerBreed

When I'm talking about micros, don't make the assumption that I'm saying hsmtts are the opposite.

On another note, **** you

You said he should never fold because it's low stakes, but the stakes are irrelevent as too whether he should fold or not. Thus you made a dumb response.

06-24-2010 , 05:56 PM

#39

PokerBreed

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the stakes are very relevant...saying never fold KK pre ever no matter what the buy-in or who you're playing against is so stupid.

Saying, never fold KK pre in micro tournaments actually makes sense.

06-24-2010 , 06:26 PM

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streetwalkincheeta

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Thanks for bumping this gem,some nice discussion going on....

06-24-2010 , 06:31 PM

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jchauvin

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ASKING TO FOLD KK PRE SHOULD BE AN INSTA TEMPBAN

SERIOUSLY ITS JUST PAGES OF CLEVER POSTERS TRYING THEIR BEST TO INSULT OP AND LAUGH AT HIM NOTHING IS SOLVED NO ONE WINS MULTISTREET HANDS FADE INTO THE SUNSET

06-24-2010 , 07:42 PM

#42

chazzreinhold

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerBreed

KK is always a fold in a msmtt

06-24-2010 , 07:49 PM

#43

ftn_chris

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chazzreinhold

KK is always a fold in a msmtt

ban for being a huge waste of space.

06-24-2010 , 08:03 PM

#44

YouHave2outs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ftn_chris

ban for being a huge waste of space.

SECOND the motion

06-24-2010 , 09:16 PM

#45

chazzreinhold

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Quote:

Originally Posted by YouHave2outs

SECOND the motion

You can remove his penis from your mouth at any time.

06-24-2010 , 10:07 PM

#46

realsheesha

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerBreed

If you're playing 5NL with a $50 stack I can imagine a situation where it's okay to fold KK pf.

If you're playing 500NL with a $500 stack I can not imagine a situation where it's okay to fold KK pf.

The only thing that matters is how deep you are.

Furthermore, at the higher stakes play is more aggresive so it's probably less likely you'll be in a situation where you should fold KK.

There's no shame in admitting you said something foolish you know.

06-25-2010 , 12:13 AM

#47

YouHave2outs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chazzreinhold

You can remove his penis from your mouth at any time.

clever, original, fresh, witty are all words to describe this comment

06-25-2010 , 12:31 AM

#48

sopoRific

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jchauvin

ASKING TO FOLD KK PRE SHOULD BE AN INSTA TEMPBAN

That's a bit harsh for a new poster, though I wouldn't object moving hands like this to the designated BBV thread.

06-25-2010 , 01:44 AM

#49

Fish_On_Tilt

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wp gg

06-25-2010 , 01:44 AM

#50

betgo

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Can't we just move this to the BBV forum?

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