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BTN: t1576 M = 8.76
SB: t4972 M = 27.62
BB: t6600 M = 36.67
UTG: t1074 M = 5.97
UTG+1: t3688 M = 20.49
MP1: t2278 M = 12.66
Hero (MP2): t7174 M = 39.86
CO: t4523 M = 25.13

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is MP2 with K

3 folds, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, SB raises to t840, 1 fold, Hero raises to t7174 all in, SB calls t4132 all in

Flop: (t10064) 3

Turn: (t10064) 8

River: (t10064) 3

Final Pot: t10064
SB shows A

(two pair, Aces and Eights)
Hero shows K

(two pair, Kings and Eights)
SB wins t10064

Just interested in any veiws on avoiding this scenario in the future or different ways to play the hand and does anyone ever fold this hand

05-19-2010 , 07:48 PM

SlevinUp

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sigh

05-19-2010 , 07:51 PM

PokerBreed

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it's just a cooler. never fold KK pre in micro stakes

05-19-2010 , 07:52 PM

deesnuts

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poker 101: the second raise always means AA's

05-19-2010 , 08:58 PM

chazzreinhold

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openfold

05-19-2010 , 09:06 PM

JamPod

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I know it is early, but did you have an stats on SB?

05-20-2010 , 06:26 AM

pello9090

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small blind was 22/12. agg factor 2.7 with 13% 3-bet from small blind over 96 hands

05-20-2010 , 06:38 AM

dereds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pello9090

small blind was 22/12. agg factor 2.7 with 13% 3-bet from small blind over 96 hands

you have answered your own question. There will be a degree of trolling in this thread mainly because the majority, myself included, aren't ever going to refuse an opportunity to get KK in pre for 40bb's indeed I am never failing to get KK in pre for a lot more than this.

The thing is if you start looking at the hand as anything other than a cooler you are more likely to reject exceptionally profitable spots in the future because you have this idea that you could have done something differently that would have been better than getting KK in.

05-20-2010 , 06:39 AM

sunnydunerz

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yeah you suck for posting this

05-20-2010 , 06:40 AM

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dereds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sunnydunerz

yeah you suck for posting this

nowhere near as much as you do for posting this

05-20-2010 , 06:41 AM

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pello9090

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sunnydunerz

yeah you suck for posting this

always one loser aint there

05-20-2010 , 06:43 AM

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pello9090

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dereds

nowhere near as much as you do for posting this

prick

05-20-2010 , 06:43 AM

#13

sunnydunerz

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you expect to make a thread and get somewhat reasonable responses when you have kk? doesn't really make any sense amirite

05-20-2010 , 06:44 AM

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dereds

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oh yeah and here's a thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...-forum-376194/

05-20-2010 , 06:45 AM

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Heineken23

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As already stated no it's not avoidable. You're absolutely crushing his 3 bet range and he's going to be stacking of with plenty of it

05-20-2010 , 06:46 AM

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Howtown

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Just post in the beginner questions forum for a bit

05-20-2010 , 06:46 AM

#17

pello9090

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dereds

oh yeah and here's a thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...-forum-376194/

thanks for the link mate maybe some other users should take a look

05-20-2010 , 06:47 AM

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dereds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pello9090

prick

lol I was defending you but w/e

05-20-2010 , 06:47 AM

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dereds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pello9090

thanks for the link mate maybe some other users should take a look

and then this

seriously this forum

05-20-2010 , 06:57 AM

#20

furo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pello9090

Just interested in any veiws on avoiding this scenario in the future or different ways to play the hand and does anyone ever fold this hand

try not to be result orientated, even if he has 0% 3bet over the same sample you shout get it in with KK/QQ here 100% of the time

the fact that he has a relativly wide 3betting range of 13% of hands means that you can get it in here even wider

he is prolly not 3betting 13% of hands vs raises from your position, but definitly 5-7% with this stats

5% of hands = 99+ AQ+ and you have 70% Equity vs this range with KK

AKo and JJ, maybe TT you can also get in vs this villain. maybe even AQ and 99.

05-20-2010 , 08:30 AM

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OnaNobis

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This thread was funny..
Not flaming btw honestly, just some nice comical misunderstandings..

05-20-2010 , 08:37 AM

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King Covert

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besides, some donk with a huge chip lead on the table, (like me last night) might 4 bet all in with AK and then proceed to lose said huge chip lead! LOL

i am an idiot. where is the thread for just crappy plays?

05-20-2010 , 08:46 AM

#23

openGstring

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The hand plays itself.

05-20-2010 , 08:48 AM

#24

furo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by King Covert

where is the thread for just crappy plays?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...thread-773895/

also search function in the topmid of the screen

05-20-2010 , 08:52 AM

#25

Alienatu

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versus a 13% 3-better, wouldn't be more profitable a call than RRAI here?

i mean, we're just folding a ton of his hands here AJ/AT or some **** that would stack off if they catch top pair (and i don't mean the A :P)

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