Hey

What do you think? Was it a mistake to fold the KK on the River?

Had only 14 hands from Villain, but he seems to be an extreme LAG...

The board is really dangerous...he could have a flush or straight...maybe, or not...

I think the fold was right, even this deep stacked. But it really hurts to lay down KK.


PokerStars - 80/160 Ante 20 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 173.75 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG+1: 222 BB (VPIP: 78.57, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 14)
MP: 156.12 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+1: 155.62 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (CO): 155.25 BB
BTN: 154.25 BB (VPIP: 21.42, PFR: 15.60, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 757)
SB: 241.5 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 147.75 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 6.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 4.5 BB

Flop: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 3 6 4
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 5.11 BB, UTG+1 raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 5.89 BB

Turn: (37.5 BB, 2 players) 8
UTG+1 bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (61.5 BB, 2 players) 7
UTG+1 bets 192.37 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG+1 wins 61.5 BB

I’d need a very good reason to call here, and I’m not seeing one.
Flopped sets, and flopped flushes look like this, so unless he’s overplaying his overpair to the board it feels like a straightforward fold.

Seems like a pretty easy fold. Odds are terrible, and as the above poster said he could easily have it.

Against an aggressive player I might check the flop back and call down, in order to limit him to two streets of betting on a bad board. Don't think betting flop is bad though.

On flop there's a lot of turn and river cards you don't like.. vs lag who could pretty much have 2pr+ here ..or all kinds of draws..
and with his style likely to make future streets both difficult and expensive..

I like LifeNitFL's thinking in checking back the flop.. keeping it smaller and using position to help out later streets.. see what cards come and hopefully lag doesn't go too crazy


On river I'm folding and hope to get their chips in a better spot later.



a weird thought im wondering is:

could we have raised the turn? ..in the hope that if he continues he just calls and checks the river? ..his turn bet size seems really quite weakish.. and i don't really consider the 8 that bad.. (our 3bet and passive calls would look good for a lag to bluff a lot of sc rivers)

would he really jam the draws with only one card to come?

Check back the flop.