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11-26-2023 , 08:31 PM
70€ (+70€ add-on) live rebuytour.
Hand plays after rebuy/add-on period.
26 of 40 players left.
Top 6 ITM.
Blinds 1.5 K/3 K + 3K BB ante. Table of 8 players.

Hero (30 bb), UTG + 2, raises 2.5 bb with K♤K♡
BTN (60 bb), skilled LAG'ish player calls,
SB (40 bb), ok/sane LAG'ish player calls,
BB (7 bb), loose/fishy calls (yes he calls...),

Flop 5◇8◇T♧ (pot 11 BB),
SB/BB checks
Action on Hero (27.5 BB)...?
As played Hero bets 0.6 pot...

BTN calls
SB calls
BB is all in

Turn is J♡
SB checks
Action on Hero...?

Your thoughts/Comments?
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11-26-2023 , 11:13 PM
I think once you get here with a strong overpair and less than pot you just have to shove and hope it works out.
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11-27-2023 , 12:54 AM
This hand needs to get it in. Yeah, we're multiway but this board is pretty dynamic and it would be a disaster for this to somehow check through and allow players to get a free card. You need to put Tdxd, Jdxd hands, even some 98/T9/J9 hands in a tough spot.
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11-28-2023 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
I think once you get here with a strong overpair and less than pot you just have to shove and hope it works out.
You don't think we can ever chek/fold, chek/call turn in this spot? I know we are giving free cards to multiple draws etc. But maybe chek and evaluate river? Know it seems like a really shitty, nitty, passive line. But still a J on turn completes some straight + 2 pair combos. My concern is that we're multiway, so I might be behind to several combos allready. But I thought it was a tough spot.

You think the flop line should have been different? Jamming flop, because we're 4 way? Could have made my decision easier 🙂 and maybe better with a small SPR left anyway.
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11-28-2023 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jpgiro
This hand needs to get it in. Yeah, we're multiway but this board is pretty dynamic and it would be a disaster for this to somehow check through and allow players to get a free card. You need to put Tdxd, Jdxd hands, even some 98/T9/J9 hands in a tough spot.
I dont disagree. I felt behind on turn 🙂 Made me think if jamming flop would have protected the hand better...
My thought after playing the hand was c-bet leaves me with a SPR close to 1. With 3 villains in, and actual flop texture i'm close to half a deck that will make my decision on turn even harder...
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11-28-2023 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sneaky_Suzy
You don't think we can ever chek/fold, chek/call turn in this spot?
Not as played. You might be able to deeper. You might be able to if you check and the button and SB both get it in on the turn. But there are so many really bad cards on the river that you benefit substantially from just trying to take the pot now.

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Originally Posted by Sneaky_Suzy
I know we are giving free cards to multiple draws etc.
Yes, that's a huge reason not to check here.

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Originally Posted by Sneaky_Suzy
But maybe chek and evaluate river?
When you have a strong hand, you want to get the money in while your hand is good, rather than hoping everything runs out safely, particularly from out of position.

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Originally Posted by Sneaky_Suzy
Know it seems like a really shitty, nitty, passive line. But still a J on turn completes some straight + 2 pair combos. My concern is that we're multiway, so I might be behind to several combos allready. But I thought it was a tough spot.
Some of them do, but there aren't a whole lot of those. Considering the size of the pot and what stack you have left, I'm not sure how you can do anything else. There are also a lot of hands that are worse that will call, or that just fold. I'm not exactly clear on the pot size based on how you've written up the hand, but I think you have like 2/3 pot behind? Picking up the pot is a major win for you, so even if you're only called when you're behind I think it's still going to be profitable.

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Originally Posted by Sneaky_Suzy
You think the flop line should have been different? Jamming flop, because we're 4 way? Could have made my decision easier 🙂 and maybe better with a small SPR left anyway.
I don't think you should jam 2.5x pot on the flop, no. But since you mention it, it might be a good spot for a check-raise, given that this board is decently connected and you describe the button as loose-aggressive. In general I rarely c-bet out of position and against this many players, regardless of my holding, unless I'm so short that jamming is a reasonable play. And even if this checks through, then you can decide how to play the turn and river in a pot at a much more controlled size and accounting for how the turn changes your equity based on how it connects to the board, rather than finding yourself in the situation you do here.
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11-28-2023 , 07:39 PM
I wouldn't check the flop here because the only cards on the turn that don't make it difficult against 3 players (one in the BB) are a 2/3/K and they can't be diamonds... I actually like your bet sizing and amazingly it got no folds. But if you did check the flop I would call the turn bet (or jam) regardless of what the turn is (except maybe a diamond).

I also think it matters if you are a woman here. Men in general don't think women bluff. So jamming the turn will likely only get called by better hands. But checking here gives the impression that you can have a hand like AT and are giving up. Because there are about 8 bb's in the side pot BTN might semi bluff, or jam with a hand like QJ or JXs with diamonds. And yes the river will be bad no matter what comes but then you get to decide if somebody is bluffing or not. The other nice thing about checking the turn is that BTN might bet/jam and SB might go all in at which point I would fold.
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