K7d 12bb in BB vs SB limp WSOP donkament
Join Date: Jun 2010
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We're ITM. SB is a fish, limped jammed on me in CO vs BTN and I folded KJo about an hour ago
He limps SB with 12bb, I have K7d and jam...standard? BBA in play
Join Date: Jun 2016
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Probably checking back unless I think the guy overfolds vs the jam.
Join Date: May 2012
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I stick it in. Winning 2 bbs without showdown in a spot is very good. Villian will have a lot of folds. The occasional trap will exist but we even have equity against his Ax kx type trap hands. I think checking back is very weak. Exploit- increasing stack by 16.67% (2 bbs for a 12 bb stack) is huge. Not passing this spot.
Join Date: Jun 2015
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I might try to play the pot vs a fish. Wide ranges are hardest to play, we have position, and are against a bad player. That being said, jamming is +ev as well.
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Given that SB already limp/jammed I would just call here.
I have read a few times that jamming in the BB with K7s is better than hands like A2o after a limp or even a BTN or SB raise. I don't think I have ever done it though. I prefer playing the BB in these spots because I think we have a post flop advantage and can avoid losing any more chips when we miss.
The SB has 12 bb's (not us) we don't know how many bb's we have but losing 12 bb's may be costly at this stage of the tournament. I would be much more tempted to do it if we had 12 bb's and the SB had us covered but not by more than 3x our chips.
Hands I would likely jam with are more like A8s-A2s/A9+/66+/KQ/KJs maybe.
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Yeah that was a sloppy write up on my end. Just finished 11 hours of play and more or less tilt wrote up the OP.
To clarify I have 11.7bb and the SB villain has 11.9bb. I put in 1bb for the bb ante, and post the bb so I am jamming 9.7bb to try and scoop 3bb of dead once the SB completes.
I am a cash pro, with very little tourny experience, especially in these 10-15bb spots. It's an area I would like to really work on over the next year or so. The first few events I played, I kind of dingled around. Passed up some +EV spots that were high variance in order to wait for "safer" spots. But these lower buy ins have very fast paced structures and there is only so much you can do. So I went into this tournament with the mindset that any close spot I will lean towards the aggressive action rather than the passive.
He ends up snapping my jam with KQo and we bricked
Join Date: May 2014
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Don't hate your play at all OP. I actually shove pretty wide here. I had a similar spot a few weeks ago on a live Day 2 bubble. I jammed K3s vs a sb limp in a very similar spot. Wanted to apply max pressure because everyone was trying to make it to the next day. He flipped over 45ss. Absolutely cannot let villains realize with hands like that. We obviously don't always shove in that spot. But I'm a big believe in exploiting weakness by shoving blocker hands like Ax and Kx.
Join Date: Feb 2013
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I like the shove as well. Ahead or at least not way behind a lot of the time, and you're forcing opponent to have a hand. Picking up 3bb is not a bad outcome for your stack.
OTOH, a call/fold leaves you w/9.7bb, and putting .5 of that in SB next hand, if I understand the write-up. So, you're in "let's find one" mode. Why not K7 suited?
Join Date: Feb 2017
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In theory, K7s is a pure check vs a sb limp at this stack depth.
Reason being is that sb limping range should be fairly polarized. Most of the hands that have you dominated are supposed to limp while the weaker Kxs and 7xs hands are supposed to jam.
We can be certain that villain isn't limping/jamming optimally, but we dont really know how he splits those two ranges. Have you had any other bvb spots vs him?
My guess based on live rec population tendencies is that he is limping his strongest hands because he doesn't want you to fold, limping his weak/medium hands because he doesn't want to risk his stack with a jam, and jamming his medium/strong hands because he doesn't want to get outflopped. This would make his limping range weaker than it should be.
At the end of the day, both plays are going to be close in EV. I would choose a lower variance line most likely vs a fish and check back and let him make bigger mistakes postflop.
Join Date: Feb 2016
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I think I like check > raise small > jam. Against some players I think raising (intending to fold to a shove) might be better than check if he's going to way overfold either pre or to small bet on flop.
