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08-17-2022 , 02:28 PM
PokerStars - 150/300 Ante 40 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 32.76 BB
UTG+1: 50.22 BB
MP: 15.07 BB
MP+1: 21.32 BB
CO: 33.93 BB
BTN: 23.33 BB
SB: 33.3 BB
BB: 6.36 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.57 BB) Hero has 3 A

Hero raises to 2.29 BB, UTG+1 raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.71 BB

Flop: (10.57 BB, 2 players) A 7 Q
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn: (10.57 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 3 BB, UTG+1 calls 3 BB

River: (16.57 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 8.28 BB, Hero calls 8.28 BB

UTG+1 shows A K (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 71%, Flop 85%, Turn 97%)
Hero mucks 3 A (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 29%, Flop 15%, Turn 3%)
UTG+1 wins 33.13 BB
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08-17-2022 , 05:01 PM
I think river is definitely a bet - him having AK here isn't too be expected, most of the time it's Ax you chop with or worse hands. Check calling is not good.
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08-17-2022 , 05:05 PM
Probably better not to post results.

V's raise from UTG +1 indicates a lot of strength over your UTG raise. so you need to be very cautious playing the streets. The virtual min raise by V priced you in so you need to continue pre, especially since you are playing around 30 bbs eff and have a hand that has a lot of nut possibilities. Without a very specific read, I would not 4-bet bluff pre.

The flop absolutely smashed V's range here, so more caution is needed. Checking the flop is definitely correct.

After the flop was checked through, the second 7 doesn't change much (you might have picked up more 78s/89s/A7s hands than V should have) and your small bet is fine, but I think I prefer to check again here, ready to call a standard turn bet and probably fold to a river barrel. A larger bet is not going to get V to fold any better hands and your hand doesn't really need protection if it's ahead.

As played on the river, check and call is fine with V's value sizing as there's some possibility of chop (AJs or another Axs) and some possibility V senses weakness and is bluffing (although I don't see too many bluffing candidates in V's range other than 99-JJ or KsJs). But expect to lose quite often on the river here.
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08-17-2022 , 05:14 PM
Thanks for that, and yeah I will avoid posting results next time.

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Originally Posted by Bubblebust
Probably better not to post results.

V's raise from UTG +1 indicates a lot of strength over your UTG raise. so you need to be very cautious playing the streets. The virtual min raise by V priced you in so you need to continue pre, especially since you are playing around 30 bbs eff and have a hand that has a lot of nut possibilities. Without a very specific read, I would not 4-bet bluff pre.

The flop absolutely smashed V's range here, so more caution is needed. Checking the flop is definitely correct.

After the flop was checked through, the second 7 doesn't change much (you might have picked up more 78s/89s/A7s hands than V should have) and your small bet is fine, but I think I prefer to check again here, ready to call a standard turn bet and probably fold to a river barrel. A larger bet is not going to get V to fold any better hands and your hand doesn't really need protection if it's ahead.

As played on the river, check and call is fine with V's value sizing as there's some possibility of chop (AJs or another Axs) and some possibility V senses weakness and is bluffing (although I don't see too many bluffing candidates in V's range other than 99-JJ or KsJs). But expect to lose quite often on the river here.
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08-17-2022 , 06:30 PM
Is it OK to fold pre (I mean fold right away, not fold to the minraise) ?

UTG 8 max, 30 BB deep, several players with a reshove stack...
If BB rejams it's meh, if he plays stop and go it's worse...

I'd open very very tight here, and get rid of most of the speculative hands I play when deep.
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08-17-2022 , 06:43 PM
I think it's ok to fold pre (i.e., never open the hand), as an exploit at low stakes. I think Axs is a GTO open from any position at 30 bbs. And I think that's because we need to balance our early position opens for more board coverage.
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08-17-2022 , 07:19 PM
Just checked and the solver agrees with you. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Justo
Is it OK to fold pre (I mean fold right away, not fold to the minraise) ?

UTG 8 max, 30 BB deep, several players with a reshove stack...
If BB rejams it's meh, if he plays stop and go it's worse...

I'd open very very tight here, and get rid of most of the speculative hands I play when deep.
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08-17-2022 , 07:23 PM
Thanks a lot.

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Originally Posted by Bubblebust
I think it's ok to fold pre (i.e., never open the hand), as an exploit at low stakes. I think Axs is a GTO open from any position at 30 bbs. And I think that's because we need to balance our early position opens for more board coverage.
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08-18-2022 , 04:01 AM
Preflop
As others have said, this is a marginal open, and with all those reshove stacks behind we could just open fold and not worry about it. As played you have to call his 3-bet, because he made it so small.

Flop
Standard check.

Turn
When he check back, he most likely has some kind of showdown value type hand like KK, QX or maybe a weak AX like your own. Maybe an occational slowplay like top set or top two pair as well. So I do think, its fine to make a small bet and try to get a bit of value, and my intention would be to fold to a raise.

River
Not much has changed, so I would make a small bet for thin value with the intention to fold, if he raise. The main reason for check-calling the river after betting turn is, if there are many busted draws in your opponents range, and that is definitely not the case here. If the opponent had a hand with no showdown value, he would almost certainly have bet it on the flop, and nearly all his range has at least made a pair. This also mean, that when you check, and he make a somewhat large bet, at least compared to your turn bet and his preflop 3-bet, it kind of sucks. You do chop with A2-AT, but why would he suddenly wake up and bet the river with those hands? Its difficult to not be results oriented, when you shared the results, but this does smell more like some kind of slowplay than anything else in my opnion. So as played I think, you can fold and save some chips, but my preferred river line is to make a small bet and fold, if he raise.
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08-18-2022 , 11:03 AM
This was really helpful thank you so much.

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Originally Posted by fundiver199
Preflop
As others have said, this is a marginal open, and with all those reshove stacks behind we could just open fold and not worry about it. As played you have to call his 3-bet, because he made it so small.

Flop
Standard check.

Turn
When he check back, he most likely has some kind of showdown value type hand like KK, QX or maybe a weak AX like your own. Maybe an occational slowplay like top set or top two pair as well. So I do think, its fine to make a small bet and try to get a bit of value, and my intention would be to fold to a raise.

River
Not much has changed, so I would make a small bet for thin value with the intention to fold, if he raise. The main reason for check-calling the river after betting turn is, if there are many busted draws in your opponents range, and that is definitely not the case here. If the opponent had a hand with no showdown value, he would almost certainly have bet it on the flop, and nearly all his range has at least made a pair. This also mean, that when you check, and he make a somewhat large bet, at least compared to your turn bet and his preflop 3-bet, it kind of sucks. You do chop with A2-AT, but why would he suddenly wake up and bet the river with those hands? Its difficult to not be results oriented, when you shared the results, but this does smell more like some kind of slowplay than anything else in my opnion. So as played I think, you can fold and save some chips, but my preferred river line is to make a small bet and fold, if he raise.
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08-19-2022 , 02:31 AM
Preflop/flop are fine. I might check turn as well but I think your bet there is fine. After I bet that size on the turn, I think block betting the river might be best. 10-30% pot.

I'm not sure though and I could be influenced by seeing results. If he's not betting AK on the flop or raising the turn then I think it's unlikely he'll raise the river, although I think you can feel pretty comfortable folding if he does. And a block bet might let you squeeze more value out of KK or Qx.
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