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03-10-2010 , 02:10 PM

xTrav

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On the flop this was one of those WTF situations...I did not know whether to bet? check? what?

Full Tilt Poker Super Stack $15K Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t170/t340 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t12155 M = 17.12
BB: t6220 M = 8.76
UTG: t17132 M = 24.13
UTG+1: t10387 M = 14.63
MP1: t60580 M = 85.32
Hero (MP2): t6404 M = 9.02
CO: t23083 M = 32.51
BTN: t13799 M = 19.44

Pre Flop: (t540) Hero is MP2 with J

3 folds, MP1 raises to t850, Hero calls t850, 3 folds

Flop: (t2240) J

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t2240) A

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

River: (t2240) K

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t811, MP1 calls t811

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03-10-2010 , 02:12 PM

ftn_chris

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not a fan of these flats pf. as played, you probably need to throw a bet out on the turn?

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03-10-2010 , 02:19 PM

aces_full1963

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I dont mind checking behind otf but you need to start getting some money in on the turn.

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03-10-2010 , 02:20 PM

alexd11

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Seems like the perfect turn card. If he has it he's going broke but other than there's no river card that will change things, so yeah you should probably raise weakish on the turn.

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03-10-2010 , 02:22 PM

xTrav

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Originally Posted by alexd11

Seems like the perfect turn card. If he has it he's going broke but other than there's no river card that will change things, so yeah you should probably raise weakish on the turn.

Ok how much is a weakish raise? 25% of pot? 33%? What is considered weak versus what is considered strong?

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03-10-2010 , 02:24 PM

ilya

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I like betting the flop. If he doesn't have an Ace you're not getting much action anyway unless he hits a 2 outer. Also there's a flush draw for him to chase or get frisky with (and a flush card on the turn that could slow him down even if he does have a big Ace), and it's a natural flop for you to bet with lots of hands.

You maybe get less value out of hands like KQ or KT if you bet flop, but that's not a big part of his range.

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03-10-2010 , 02:26 PM

ssnyc

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pre is pretty bad with your stack...just shovel it in

if you are deeper we can flat but here we need to be shoving pre

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03-10-2010 , 02:27 PM

ilya

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

pre is pretty bad with your stack...just shovel it in

if you are deeper we can flat but here we need to be shoving pre

Oh yeah, def agree with that, shove preflop.

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03-10-2010 , 03:32 PM

Lionelhuttz

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shove pre.

If your gonna flat pre and check flop please bet turn like 1800 and jam river.
As said the check on the flop is ok but you need to bet turn and jam river.

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03-10-2010 , 04:44 PM

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JoeyJoJo Shabadu

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Every one of your hands is the same... way too tricky. Ace out there. Bet the flop and hoipe he has one. If he doesn't its going to be a small pot anyway 95% of the time.

and shove prf.

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03-10-2010 , 04:49 PM

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JoeDiego

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This is a shove pre. As played I like betting the flop - you won't get more than a few more bbs out if him unless he has an ace. Bet flop, check back turn and shove river and hope he reads it for a bluff.

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03-10-2010 , 10:27 PM

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alexd11

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Originally Posted by xTrav

Ok how much is a weakish raise? 25% of pot? 33%? What is considered weak versus what is considered strong?

Anything under half the Pot would look weak.

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03-10-2010 , 10:36 PM

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flying soybean

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i would check flop and bet the turn.

if he doesn't call turn, probably won't call river either.

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03-10-2010 , 10:56 PM

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RLOG

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Def get it in pre with stack sizes. I'd probably just bet bet bet but at least bet the turn once he checks.

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