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03-01-2010 , 08:26 PM
How important is it to calculate back-door outs when a villain raises enough to put you all in on the flop?

Is it pointless since you'll be all-in, or is there merit in understanding that one of 15 turn cards could bring you X amount of more outs on the river...?

I'm kinda thinking out loud here and 'spit-ballin' a bit...
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03-01-2010 , 09:12 PM
Are you talking about drawing to the draw for the nutz? like runner runner?
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03-01-2010 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HUHandEH
Are you talking about drawing to the draw for the nutz? like runner runner?
I add about 1.2385% to my pot odds when calling all in with backdoor outs.
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03-01-2010 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rip32raptors
I add about 1.2385% to my pot odds when calling all in with backdoor outs.
if you are a level, you are a bad one

backdoor outs are about 1~1.5 outs, so 5% is a fair percentage
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03-01-2010 , 11:50 PM
Yeah, that's what I figured...not much to consider.

I was just thinking about different scenarios and how much weight/ to give the turn.

Not so much runner-runner outs exactly...but suppose the following:

You have 78o (with one heart) and the flop comes 6710 (with one heart). You believe you are up against an over pair. As it stands, you have exactly 10 outs, right? If the turn has a 50%+ chance to bring you a card that gives you more outs (like a heart, 5, or 4), why do we only give it <5% consideration?

Feel free to blast me...I can take it...
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03-01-2010 , 11:53 PM
because its not a backdoor draw. ur example u can make ur hand on the turn, as well as alternaute draws on the river.

a batter example is calling a raise with AQcc on a T38c flop and backdooring a flush.
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