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How do you play these spots? Play them same as me? How do you play these spots? Play them same as me?

05-06-2024 , 02:50 AM




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05-06-2024 , 11:27 AM
I'm hoping I understand the spots.

Hand 1 I like the jam. Its right on the edge sizewize because normally I would make it about 10 bb's but that is 30% effective stack and if we miss the flop we're stuck

Hand 2 I fold. If I were BB I might call but here it's going to be a flip at best vs the UTG all in guy and if anybody wakes up with a monster we will get called if we jam

Hand 3 I like the call with 66 after the UTG open. Its probably borderline and folding is likely better but I don't care because it is 7 handed. If it gets 3 bet its likely a fold based on the sizing but I am going set mining here.
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05-06-2024 , 12:51 PM
Hand 1 I think we are a little too deep to push. I like a raise to about 8bb. Then I wouldn't feel especially tragic if I had to bet fold.

Hand 2 I fold

Hand 3 as often as not you will get squeezed if you limp. Limp fold always makes you feel like a dope but it might be the best option here. You might be better off coming over the top but alas, your hand is a little weak. Still, you are slightly short stacked and everyone else has 100+bb's so that may be you best option. If I can still re-enter then I think I push it all in if someone tries a squeeze.

Last edited by 2pairsof2s; 05-06-2024 at 12:57 PM.
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05-06-2024 , 12:57 PM
previous reposted for some unknown reason...

Last edited by 2pairsof2s; 05-06-2024 at 01:16 PM.
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05-06-2024 , 08:58 PM
Hand 1: Given stack sizes and ICM implications - relatively close to the money, jamming looks to clearly be the best play here. If we were at an earlier stage in the tournament, raise then calling shove from CO (assuming he is not an ultra-nit) after he jams would be best, given that BTN folds.

Hand 2: Not clear to me what the tournament stage given the different language, but would fold in this spot. 88+ would be my continue range.

Hand 3: Looks to be a clear-call spot here.
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05-07-2024 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DaPats55
Hand 1: Given stack sizes and ICM implications - relatively close to the money, jamming looks to clearly be the best play here. If we were at an earlier stage in the tournament, raise then calling shove from CO (assuming he is not an ultra-nit) after he jams would be best, given that BTN folds.
Relatively close? We're about 600 eliminations from the money. Not close enough to start making heavy ICM adjustments, even with this many people getting paid.

That said, I think jamming is OK. Unless you think someone might 4-bet light as a bluff and you want to induce. I would hate to 3-bet/fold this hand in this spot, though. (Under 30BB I think I just always jam; definitely under 25BB.)

Hand 2 I think fold is fine between the size/position of UTG's shove and having five people behind you.

Hand 3 call seems OK, generally standard. With your stack size and the 2.5x open, though, I wouldn't criticize you for folding, either.

I didn't run any of these spots yet; this is just my first impression.
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05-07-2024 , 01:05 AM
Ran a couple of sims for hand 1 and at 30BB it's split between jam and 3-bet, calling any 4-bet shove. 40BB is pure 3-bet. So I think jam is fine if you want to take the lower-variance route.
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05-07-2024 , 02:19 AM
There looks to be approximately 17% of the field left at this stage, this should have a small impact on our shoving vs 3b/calling range if we are adjusting correctly. Here are 2 examples below for a relatively similar spot that I ran in GTO Wizard. With 16% of the field outstanding has our correct strategy as 3b jamming AJs pure, whereas in the 75% remaining for example our strategy shifts to a pure 3b/call.



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05-07-2024 , 02:30 AM
I would note, exploitatively if we consider ourselves to have a significant post-flop edge on our opponents (and given this is a $22 tournament, the level of competition likely extremely weak on average) the 3b/call route allows us to realize that edge. That said, my original comment towards OP was more geared to the "correct" play that he seemed to be looking for.
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05-07-2024 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DaPats55
There looks to be approximately 17% of the field left at this stage, this should have a small impact on our shoving vs 3b/calling range if we are adjusting correctly. Here are 2 examples below for a relatively similar spot that I ran in GTO Wizard. With 16% of the field outstanding has our correct strategy as 3b jamming AJs pure, whereas in the 75% remaining for example our strategy shifts to a pure 3b/call.
Yeah, upon further thought, we're not at the bubble per se, but when the action is pretty split between call and shove normally, we're close enough that I think the lower-variance route of a jam is fine. Nice analysis.

Really, the only time I would definitely make a standard 3-bet here if I think I'm gonna get 4-bet shoved on by something like A5s or suited Broadway hands, or they're bad/loose enough to call with dominating hands and play straightforwardly postflop (i.e. not a lot of floating, largely fit-or-fold).
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