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09-24-2015 , 08:17 PM
Hi,

The Hot $7.5
ITM
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Is this a fold?


    Poker Stars, $6.82 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37125892

    Hero (BB): 74,996 (18.7 bb)
    fantoma1987 (UTG+1): 57,581 (14.4 bb)
    MAJIC MAJ (UTG+2): 34,562 (8.6 bb)
    brianm15 (MP1): 130,855 (32.7 bb)
    catacata2 (MP2): 14,772 (3.7 bb)
    andykim5818 (MP3): 23,256 (5.8 bb)
    ivan777ml (CO): 36,431 (9.1 bb)
    dkhosk73 (BTN): 42,717 (10.7 bb)
    A.Sparrow13 (SB): 37,198 (9.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q A
    3 folds, catacata2 raises to 14,272 and is all-in, andykim5818 raises to 22,756 and is all-in, ivan777ml folds, dkhosk73 raises to 42,217 and is all-in, 2 folds





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    The Hot .5 ITM: AQo on BB with 3 small stacks allin Quote
    09-24-2015 , 09:38 PM
    This has to be a fold I think, 3 people are already all in with their tourney life on the line, even if you have them beat the chances you're hand is going to hold up is slim. AQ does better in heads up pots more so than multi way so I'm folding and waiting for a better spot. A lot of people might disagree with me on this so I'm curious to see what others say.
    The Hot .5 ITM: AQo on BB with 3 small stacks allin Quote
    09-24-2015 , 09:47 PM
    ehhh idk this one is pretty close
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    09-24-2015 , 11:18 PM
    Fold. I'd call if button had 5-6bb stack like the others.
    The Hot .5 ITM: AQo on BB with 3 small stacks allin Quote
    09-24-2015 , 11:19 PM
    Definitely can't fold.
    The Hot .5 ITM: AQo on BB with 3 small stacks allin Quote
    09-24-2015 , 11:48 PM
    away from FT. I am for call
    The Hot .5 ITM: AQo on BB with 3 small stacks allin Quote
    09-25-2015 , 04:19 AM
    Its actually quite close. If you just win the pot against the 10bb stack but lose to the others I think you breakeven and if you scoop wow nh. id call and hope villain is isoing with a worse A or pair.

    we are also post money bubble with plenty of players of left. Its really high variance but I think its ok. If we lose we've got 8bbs to push for the rest of the orbit, which can still get some folds pre.
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    09-25-2015 , 04:49 AM
    Fold. Would not call with atleast QQ+ or AK.
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    09-25-2015 , 05:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Puzo
    Fold. I'd call if button had 5-6bb stack like the others.
    I shouldn't answer before having some coffee. Call. We should be ahead of BU range and obv have enough equity vs shorties.
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    09-25-2015 , 05:46 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Puzo
    I shouldn't answer before having some coffee. Call. We should be ahead of BU range and obv have enough equity vs shorties.
    Initially I did not notice that there were three shorties, but yeah vs 25% 15% and a 7-8% range we are in pretty rough shape. Against two stacks its a fist pump wheelbarrow call.
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    09-25-2015 , 06:31 AM
    couple side pots plus multiple isolation raises probably ahead of 2 or 3 of them. one of them probably has some pair. I most likey fold pre., probably not many aces left in the deck with 3 people already in.
    The Hot .5 ITM: AQo on BB with 3 small stacks allin Quote
    09-25-2015 , 06:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChanY
    Initially I did not notice that there were three shorties, but yeah vs 25% 15% and a 7-8% range we are in pretty rough shape. Against two stacks its a fist pump wheelbarrow call.
    BU is prolly isoing the shorties with something like (77)88+\AJ+\ATs+\KQs. First short stack is superwide ~40%, the second is obv a bit tighter.
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    09-25-2015 , 07:50 AM
    puzos right

    first 2 ranges should be rly wide and AQ is too strong to fold against the BTNs iso...gotta call here

    obv its a high variance spot but cant fold
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    09-25-2015 , 08:41 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Puzo
    BU is prolly isoing the shorties with something like (77)88+\AJ+\ATs+\KQs. First short stack is superwide ~40%, the second is obv a bit tighter.
    Vs 40%, 20% and 10% we got 26% equity. We are only getting 2 to 1 and the spot is mega variance. The third stack just screws everything up.
    The Hot .5 ITM: AQo on BB with 3 small stacks allin Quote
    09-25-2015 , 09:15 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChanY
    Vs 40%, 20% and 10% we got 26% equity. We are only getting 2 to 1 and the spot is mega variance. The third stack just screws everything up.
    where u got that 10% from...??

    plus there is a sidepot for 40k plus we gettin better than 2-1
    The Hot .5 ITM: AQo on BB with 3 small stacks allin Quote
    09-25-2015 , 11:58 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TellMeMore
    puzos right

    first 2 ranges should be rly wide and AQ is too strong to fold against the BTNs iso...gotta call here

    obv its a high variance spot but cant fold
    +1
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    09-25-2015 , 12:17 PM
    Super-interesting spot here and I see that opinion is quite divided!

    For what it's worth, I can't fold here. It's as much about tournament dynamics as it is about the hand. If you just sit on the 18BB stack with antes in play, you'll get blinded down pretty quick, and it'll take a few double-ups before you get a big stack. And that is what an MTT is about. Getting a big stack. When you get in the money, you shouldn't be looking at how much the next place gives you. You should only be looking at the final table, and taking risks to try and get there with a big stack. That's how I play, and it results in me cashing less often, but it also results in me getting more final tables and wins than players who try to 'ladder', and ultimately a lot more money.

    MP2 and MP3 you nearly always have beat here. They're on tiny stacks and are going to be shoving any pair, any ace, most broadways and maybe even some worse stuff like 78s and so on. The BU is a bit more worrying, but even he's short and still on a wide range seeing an opportunity to take out 2 players. He can also be wide here because he knows that both the other players are wide so he doesn't need a super strong hand to shove. He can have AT+, 88+, KQ (maybe KJ) here, so although you'll be behind sometimes, you'll be ahead sometimes. And you'll often have a couple of your opponents in bad shape, giving you an opportunity to add a huge amount to your stack. You are making a mistake folding here in my opinion, because you're deep in a tournament and you need to take some risks to chip up and reach the FT with a big stack.
    The Hot .5 ITM: AQo on BB with 3 small stacks allin Quote
    09-25-2015 , 12:42 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BigMoney964
    Super-interesting spot here and I see that opinion is quite divided!

    For what it's worth, I can't fold here. It's as much about tournament dynamics as it is about the hand. If you just sit on the 18BB stack with antes in play, you'll get blinded down pretty quick, and it'll take a few double-ups before you get a big stack. And that is what an MTT is about. Getting a big stack. When you get in the money, you shouldn't be looking at how much the next place gives you. You should only be looking at the final table, and taking risks to try and get there with a big stack. That's how I play, and it results in me cashing less often, but it also results in me getting more final tables and wins than players who try to 'ladder', and ultimately a lot more money.

    MP2 and MP3 you nearly always have beat here. They're on tiny stacks and are going to be shoving any pair, any ace, most broadways and maybe even some worse stuff like 78s and so on. The BU is a bit more worrying, but even he's short and still on a wide range seeing an opportunity to take out 2 players. He can also be wide here because he knows that both the other players are wide so he doesn't need a super strong hand to shove. He can have AT+, 88+, KQ (maybe KJ) here, so although you'll be behind sometimes, you'll be ahead sometimes. And you'll often have a couple of your opponents in bad shape, giving you an opportunity to add a huge amount to your stack. You are making a mistake folding here in my opinion, because you're deep in a tournament and you need to take some risks to chip up and reach the FT with a big stack.
    agreed

    this being a turbo makes it an even easier call imo
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    09-27-2015 , 05:44 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BigMoney964
    Super-interesting spot here and I see that opinion is quite divided!

    For what it's worth, I can't fold here. It's as much about tournament dynamics as it is about the hand. If you just sit on the 18BB stack with antes in play, you'll get blinded down pretty quick, and it'll take a few double-ups before you get a big stack. And that is what an MTT is about. Getting a big stack. When you get in the money, you shouldn't be looking at how much the next place gives you. You should only be looking at the final table, and taking risks to try and get there with a big stack. That's how I play, and it results in me cashing less often, but it also results in me getting more final tables and wins than players who try to 'ladder', and ultimately a lot more money.

    MP2 and MP3 you nearly always have beat here. They're on tiny stacks and are going to be shoving any pair, any ace, most broadways and maybe even some worse stuff like 78s and so on. The BU is a bit more worrying, but even he's short and still on a wide range seeing an opportunity to take out 2 players. He can also be wide here because he knows that both the other players are wide so he doesn't need a super strong hand to shove. He can have AT+, 88+, KQ (maybe KJ) here, so although you'll be behind sometimes, you'll be ahead sometimes. And you'll often have a couple of your opponents in bad shape, giving you an opportunity to add a huge amount to your stack. You are making a mistake folding here in my opinion, because you're deep in a tournament and you need to take some risks to chip up and reach the FT with a big stack.
    I agree with you on that, all though I've folded.
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    09-28-2015 , 08:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mansory
    I agree with you on that, all though I've folded.
    Well, that's the great thing about questioning your own play! Now if you're in a similar situation next time you know what to do! I can see why you folded at first glance though, it doesn't look like AQ should be good often enough here but when you really analyse it you can see it is.
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    09-28-2015 , 10:03 AM
    What's the bottom range we call here? I think 88+, A10s+, KQo+?
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    09-29-2015 , 04:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mansory
    What's the bottom range we call here? I think 88+, A10s+, KQo+?
    JJ+ and AK. Maybe AQs.

    Its deep in the hot 7.5, not the hot 75. People are not shoving as wide as they should be and are defo not in the mood of busting with a marginal hand.
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    09-29-2015 , 04:25 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mansory
    What's the bottom range we call here? I think 88+, A10s+, KQo+?
    99+\AQ+ imo.
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    10-01-2015 , 05:51 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Puzo
    99+\AQ+ imo.
    This is what I was thinking, hindsight op what was the run out and others hands
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