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Hero with 66 10BB on BB facing weird open (4.38BB) from UTG and call from tight player on BTN Hero with 66 10BB on BB facing weird open (4.38BB) from UTG and call from tight player on BTN

09-12-2023 , 12:27 PM
Hello,

I would love to know your thoughts on this hand as I am not sure whether this is jam or fold (I suppose call is not an option at all).

I'd be inclined to jam as there's a lot of dead money (chips) by the tight player calling but he can be slow playing monster (he would usually shove?) and the weird sizing does not help.

Thanks!

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09-12-2023 , 12:29 PM
I have also a similar hand with 55 which I am totally not sure what to do

I'd be inclined to jam here as I have a good fold equity and there's extra dead money in the pot from the fish.

Thanks again for looking into it!

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09-12-2023 , 12:57 PM
Hey,

adding a third hand as it's a pocket pair, I'd say standard call, but starting to doubt it, thoughts?

Thanks!

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09-12-2023 , 01:10 PM
Adding a last hand as it's a pocket pair again, standard jam?

Really have problems to decide what to do with small pocket pairs when facing a lot of opponents after me.

Thanks!

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09-12-2023 , 04:26 PM
Hand 1 I probably just fold because we have no fold equity and the open size is going to indicate a pretty strong range, as is the call of that size. You're basically hoping to get into a flip with overlay, but you're never getting a shove through. And with the ranges being relatively condensed and strong by the bet sizing, I'd guess you run into a bigger pair a substantial portion of the time.

Hand 2 I'm not sure what I would do but I think a squeeze shove is a better play here than in hand 1. If you like the spot, take it.

Hand 3 I probably just fold because it's so much of our stack and we're almost never better than flipping, and not the good kind of 55/45 flipping. I don't like calling off that large a percentage of my stack hoping to be 51/49. There isn't enough overlay from the ante to make the call worth it - and since we appear to be five-handed at what looks to be a normally full table, I can deduce we're pretty late in the tournament as well, which means the ICM effects make this call even worse.

Hand 4 once you're that short 55 is a definitive shove.
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09-20-2023 , 09:03 PM
Fold every hand except for hand 4, hand 4 is a must shove if folded to you 100%.
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09-21-2023 , 11:22 AM
Why do you think a tight player calling an utg larger preflop raise = dead money situation.
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09-21-2023 , 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjjou812
Why do you think a tight player calling an utg larger preflop raise = dead money situation.
Well if you jam and gets called by only one players theres a lot of dead money. But yea both players have ranges that are stronger than 66 most likely.


Hand 1 - fold. No FE plus two strong ranges.

Hand 2 - fold. some FE but both players have ranges that 55 isn't doing well against.

Hand 3 - close but lean fold. vs a reg who jamming properly 22 is a call, but vs this nitty villain I think fold is good.

Hand 4 - standard jam
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09-21-2023 , 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ledn
Well if you jam and gets called by only one players theres a lot of dead money. But yea both players have ranges that are stronger than 66 most likely.
Do you think OPs 10bb jam into an 11 bb pot gets either player to fold when they have 20+ bb stacks?
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09-21-2023 , 12:31 PM
Hand 1: I fold because we have no FE and it is likely that UTG has JJ/TT because of their sizing (could be AK but that happens less frequently)

Hand 2: I hate this spot against a UTG open. I have jammed a bit with 77-99 and typically lose every time against a bigger PP (I even lose when it is AK I am up against...). Calling is a possibility but leaves us with not enough chips when we don't hit a set (which happens over 87% of the time on the flop). I hate folding but I think I would here.

Hand 3: I fold every time here. At the Venetian I shoved all in with 33 pre-flop with about 13 bb's and the BB called with 22 and 15 bb's. LOL. He of course flopped a 2 and I was knocked out. At Foxwoods I have lost a number of times to 22-44 calling my jams when I have AJ+.

Hand 4: Auto jam for me with any PP.
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09-22-2023 , 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjjou812
Do you think OPs 10bb jam into an 11 bb pot gets either player to fold when they have 20+ bb stacks?
well I would expect the pfr continues with a jam, which may fold out the cold caller, creating dead money. But like I said, I think its a clear fold anyways.
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