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03-09-2010 , 01:28 AM

GTJackets

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 68

2 questions.
A) Is pre ok? Should I be shoving/folding instead? Seems like too much to shove and too nitty to fold.

B) Are we C-betting this flop w/ these stack sizes? B/F seems bad.

Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100.00/t200.00 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t4760.00 M = 15.87
BB: t3625.00 M = 12.08
UTG: t4159.00 M = 13.86
UTG+1: t6223.00 M = 20.74
UTG+2: t2775.00 M = 9.25
MP1: t2800.00 M = 9.33
MP2: t2846.00 M = 9.49
Hero (CO): t3215.00 M = 10.72
BTN: t7790.00 M = 25.97

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is CO with Q

5 folds, Hero raises to t500, 2 folds, BB calls t300

Flop: (t1100) 4

(2 players)
BB checks
Hero ???

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03-09-2010 , 01:50 AM

Dr ship it

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 587

you can only shove pre here

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03-09-2010 , 05:25 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

i would just fold pre. why bother playing Q high when its a marginal shove spot and you get flatted by the blinds anyway and cant bet/fold given stacks...

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03-09-2010 , 05:42 AM

davethedave2

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,397

Either shove or fold and its close either way.

Personally I fold to try and reduce the variance but a shove ok. Shove prob very slightly +cEv.

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03-09-2010 , 01:50 PM

ozmosis313

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,010

i like a raise and cbet flop.

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03-09-2010 , 01:52 PM

Texas Chuck

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 6,237

have to fold pre with ur stack

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03-09-2010 , 01:55 PM

ssnyc

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 38,129

with antes I snap shove pre

without I shove or fold depending on read and table dynamics

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03-09-2010 , 02:01 PM

Jiggymike

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 13,420

Probably shoving here, QJs seems like it would play nicely against calling ranges but I'm at work so I can't stove anything.

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03-09-2010 , 02:45 PM

ozmosis313

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,010

are you guys all shoving qq plus as well? does nobody just raise anymore?

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03-09-2010 , 02:52 PM

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Zetoran

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,260

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Originally Posted by ozmosis313

are you guys all shoving qq plus as well? does nobody just raise anymore?

More and more people are realizing how valuable 12-15bb shoves can be, even with a relatively wide range and correspondingly people are learning to call those shoves a bit lighter because they can figure QQ+ is discounted from the shoving range so as to not lose value from those hands. Because of this I'm shoving QQ+ and QJ here - makes it much more difficult to play against us because looking us up with AT type hands is a tougher decision if we're shoving the top and bottom of our range.

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03-09-2010 , 03:09 PM

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ozmosis313

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,010

so then wouldn't a standard raise garnish more respect b/c of this and people will put you on "a hand that wants action"

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03-09-2010 , 03:10 PM

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ozmosis313

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,010

obv, 10 or less blinds you shove but isn't there a grey area here where raising can still be ok, specially in late position.

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