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11-11-2007 , 05:09 AM

Big bibi

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5

This hand was played my a friend of my and we argued about his play, so we want a second opinion.
10 usd MTT, 15 places till the money.
blinds are 1500/3000, no antes
hero has 55000 chips
action:
EP player goes all in with 20000
next player goes all in with 22000
third player goes all in with 23000

hero calls with KK

I said that this is a sure fold.
What do you think???

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11-11-2007 , 05:42 AM

erc007

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,227

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next player goes all in with 22000
third player goes all in with 23000

Not w/out a read that at least one of these two guys is a rock.

P.S. You did happen to notice that all of the players AI have ~7BBs...right?

And by rock, I mean rock as in Gibraltar...

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11-11-2007 , 06:06 AM

levAA

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,458

No I think this is a push for 2 reasons

1.) Most important - you have covered all of them
2.) As erc said, they are down to 7BB, so everyone of them has should have a much wider pushing range than AA.

I'd call this everytime, even against tight players.

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11-11-2007 , 09:20 AM

Pokerfarian

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,558

With a very strong read on the 3rd player that he doesn't put his chips in there with QQ, I can imagine folding. But (semi)readless I don't expect him to fold QQ there so we're ahead of every persons range & it's a call.

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11-11-2007 , 11:15 AM

Shadowlike

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 268

I can't imagine folding here ever. The third player will not fold AK here often, and also not QQ. The pushing range of the first player is very broad, and the second player is also quite desperate. I call these 8 BB here even with reads that all of them are tight players.

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11-11-2007 , 01:15 PM

Doylestown

adept

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 953

easy call - I can't lay KK here getting better than 3 to 1 with stack sizes as described in a $10 MTT.

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11-11-2007 , 02:35 PM

dkgojackets

DKGOAT

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86,120

I call and then slam the mouse when an ace hits on the turn.

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11-11-2007 , 02:39 PM

M1cKmAcK

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,713

EASY call.

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11-11-2007 , 03:53 PM

ssnyc

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 38,129

no...no...no...they are all short enough to be doing this with well worse than aces...easy call with double fistpump

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11-11-2007 , 03:54 PM

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ssnyc

Carpal \'Tunnel

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I call and then slam the mouse when an ace hits on the turn.

but the king hits the river and the hero wins right?

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11-11-2007 , 05:20 PM

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Daxonovitch

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Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 499

Easy call.

Reasonable ranges for all of the callers are 22-AA, A2-AK (yes, A2). You're facing a couple pairs and/or *hopefully* a counterfeited ace. Best situation obviously is Ax Ax Ax.

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11-11-2007 , 05:36 PM

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starchyy

adept

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,168

The opening shove probably has a wide range and is very likely to be a steal. You can almost discount his hand. The first caller will have a slightly larger calling range, any pp, KQ+, something along those lines. The third caller will then have an even smaller calling range, probably along the lines of A10+, 55 or 66+. Since you are sitting here with KK, you are way ahead of any of their calling/pushing ranges, so be glad to call. I think the key here is their stack sizes. Since they all have about 7BB, they are all in desperate need to get something going, with stacks of 13+BB, this analysis changes completely. All in all, calling is very +ev here.

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11-12-2007 , 08:13 AM

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Big bibi

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5

Thanks for all the replys. The A did hit, but on the river !
Unfortunatelly, only one villan had an A, for AT, second had KQs and third caller had JJ.

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