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05-13-2023 , 04:48 AM
Hi again 2+2, I think this is a bit of a cooler but I'm wondering if this is ever an acceptable deviation from solver

9 handed no ante, Hero in UTG with 35bb and AsTs, raises to 2bb
Folds to Villain who is young white guy in CO with 32bb and no other reads, 3bets to 4bb
Hero calls
Flop is AdQh9h
Hero checks
Villain jams
Hero?

My solver says I should call this nearly 100% of the time. Is there ever a world where I can fold this with no other reads on the opponent? Working on improving exploitative plays in live.

Posting outcome later, thanks all in advance
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05-13-2023 , 09:43 AM
Solver calls because you're near the top of your range (AQ+ 99+ will 4bet pre and AJ is prob mixing 4bet small/call so your only better hands are A9 and Q9), block their value (AK/AQ), and unblock hearts.

In practice this is a really large shove so you should be calling very narrow. If there's a hand on the border that could become an exploitative fold it would be this one. Even A8 is a better call since you unblock JT, although you can prob just call Q9, A9, and your big draws and be doing fine.

Interesting spot.
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05-14-2023 , 03:42 PM
Outcome: hero calls, villain shows AhJs and scoops from a clean runout

In the moment i felt like I wasn't going to get shown a bluff or a worse ace very often, but I called because i knew the solver would demand a call and i didn't have a read or a solid reason to exploitatively fold

Last edited by biggestfish; 05-14-2023 at 03:52 PM.
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05-16-2023 , 10:23 AM
Take a step back and think about the price you're getting, and now calculate against the range you think he might be doing this with and see roughly estimate your equity.

He's betting 300% of the pot in the second street of the hand, you don't need to defend this often at all, and for this amount of chips even if your estimation is slightly winning, i would still
fold of how marginal this spot is, you can find way better spot to put ur 28 bigs in the middle.
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11-19-2023 , 05:17 PM
I think deviating from solver is standard here - population just aren't finding worse to do this with, especially 30bb+ deep.
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11-19-2023 , 05:50 PM
A lot of this for me depends on where we are in the tournament (what level) and whether we can buy back in or not.

If we can buy back in with either a similar stack or more chips its possibly a cry call for me.

I do think that HATOOEASY is right that this is an underbluff situation though its unusual to see a greater than pot bet on the flop. When this has happened in the past it was either a bluff like JT where Villain has about 50% chance to win if called or its a hand that doesn't want to see draw filling turn (like K/8/Heart) and either be behind or have you fold anyway. So it could be a set or two pair or even AK.

The ultimate problem for me is that Villain basically sucks. The 3 bet preflop sizing is pathetic. The flop jam is pathetic. Though 3-bet with AJo in position is actually not bad.

I think ultimately I fold here because we don't really have much way of improving over AK/AJ and certainly none vs AQ. If there were two spades on the board I would certainly call but even with one its not a good spot. I think that Villain can have basically any AX and maybe JJ but there aren't that many of those compared to AJ+/QQ/99/A9s.
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11-21-2023 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by HATOOEASY
I think deviating from solver is standard here - population just aren't finding worse to do this with, especially 30bb+ deep.
In a vacuum, I agree with this, but we're missing key information from OP:

Online or live?
Buy-in?
Re-entries?
ITM or no? If No - how far from the money, it yes, how many left?

Reads on villain? What's your table image?
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11-21-2023 , 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HATOOEASY
I think deviating from solver is standard here - population just aren't finding worse to do this with, especially 30bb+ deep.
I agree with this. I think I would fold. I like the call of the super poorly sized 3 bet. I think I would fold to a 6bb+ 3 bet and maybe even 5.5bb. 4 bb I think we have to continue with A-10o even though it sucks. a-10o is a fold to a normal sized 3 bet.

Would exploit fold. Not sure what is jamming that we beat?
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11-22-2023 , 05:42 AM
It's fine to be pushed off our equity by combo draws here (something like KJhh, JThh, maybe KThh) given how big of an overbet this is. There aren't many of them and we're generally flipping with them. We are crushed by his value and he's prob not balancing his range with random pp bluffs, esp given how egregious his line is.
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11-24-2023 , 09:25 AM
I would fold this unless I had played with the villain before and new something about them. Does this player every do anything wacky with KK in this spot? Is this just a player that has AK and is worried about getting outdrawn? It such a weird overbet shove. I would be waiting for a better spot.
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