I never accused bitb of doing anything shady. In fact, I even pointed out that although I have heard of other stables having deals with party, I'd never heard of anything dodgy with bitb. I was just saying that you are in a position that has a clear conflict of interests.

Hey guys,

Its 3am now, time where I would say its getting "late" and the earlier tournaments should be finished or very close to finishing, and the later tournaments should be starting to get to the business end.

3pm- $215 5 left
4pm - $530 been finished a while
5pm - $109 been finished a while
5pm - $1050 finishes, $215 10 left
6pm - $530 7 left, $215 25 left
7pm - $530, 5 left $109 25 left
8pm - $1050 10 left, $215 25 left
9pm - Completed for a while
10pm - Finished

So what you may have noticed is that some of the earlier tournaments (the later ones are faster or fast and finish pretty quickly) have a new deepstack element, 200bbs deep, slow clock for the first 2-3 hours, this is done purposely, people who want to register with 50bbs, 20bbs, 100bbs or whatever else don't have to play the first levels, but we thought adding tournaments that do have the deepstack element is good for a few reasons

1- One of our competitors most popular tournaments is this format
2- A lot of people asked for it
3- It helps us having bigger guarantees during summer

We did an analysis of other sites that declined a lot and one of the reasons was not being able to sustain summer guarantees and thus people just stop logging on as nothing substantial to play and then never recover.

I understand people may not want to play 200bb poker and for lots of time (even if its just a couple of tournaments) I am exactly the same, I don't either, I just choose to register the same time as I did previously with 100bbs. Lets say a 3pm tournament has 200bbs but at 5-6pm you can register with 50-100bbs then it's just basically when the tournament is starting "for you".

All in all the strategy is the same as previously

1- Reduce the clocks
2- Reduce late reg time
3- Increase guarantees

This is almost exactly how we did it at the start of the year, a lot of people wrote today to me "the structures were perfect before powerfest" which we agree with, we got to that level day by day being flexible and dynamic. People complain that things change too much, but this is the schedule that will run for summer and each day we want to be dyanmics to make the tournament better than the week previously if possible.

That could be;
1- Increase guarantees
2- Reduce clocks
3- Reduce late reg

We unfortunately don't have 100,000 people online that we can just attract to our tournaments, we want all players to have a good player experience, from seeing the numbers now on a Sunday where most people are playing I don't think tournaments are taking way too long and its pretty reasonable, ofc unless you were in for hand 1 for every single tournament, but if that is the case then I guess you must kinda like it

Last week was as expected lower turn outs than during powerfest and before powerfest, but numbers were still pretty nice. Each tournament will be dynamically improved as much as we can.

Regarding mement_moris comments about the schedule being high stakes orientated, we have slashed HS offerings, no more daily 1k, heck the 2k wasn't even in the lobby! Whenever there is a high stakes tournament there is always a high, medium, low, micro version and there is lots of parts of the schedule where there is no "HR" version of the tournament. We've added new buy in levels ($16.50, $33, $27.50 etc) and a big part of our emphasis is maximising the potential of small and mid stakes. Reducing the ending times of those tournaments is important development of the progress of those tournaments. This week you should see some adjustments, KO series is already in the client and "set". $10m GTE https://www.partypoker.com/ko-series.html between 3-10 June.

gl everybody.

I rest my case.

From Paklu, also HS regs, freely translated from Finnish: I love these overlays.

Pretty much sums it up from my point of view.

EDIT: Just on a quick note as an addition:

""It's also important to note that 99% of collusion accusations are proved to be false. A lot of people get suspicious based on the emotion of losing pots, running under EV in general and against specific players. It is important that our security team is as informed as possible to be able to quickly identify if it is indeed collusion or not. We cannot simply close every account that is emailed to us as being suspicious of collusion."" from https://www.pokernews.com/news/2017/...oker-29277.htm

This would suggest that 99% are ignored and 1% is ignored as well, as PartyPoker didn't really do anything when a confirmed collusion group was caught at their HS games.

Hi Patrick

First of all its great to see you back in the thread and i'm sorry to see people are wrongfully trying to drag BitB into this when it should be obvious that there is an enormous difference between a stable where the coaches are some of the best players and hardest workers in poker and all the horses competes in games on Stars and other sites and one where almost all of the cashes (at least according to twitter https://twitter.com/brstaking/media) seem to be either from Partypoker or events ran at the casino that is affiliated with Party. It should be very obvious for anyone who have a little bit of understanding that BitB are great players and crushing the games across all sites on their own and the chance of any inside deal with Party is pretty much zero.

As an experienced staker and stable runner I would still like to hear your opinion about some of the things presented here about BRS and all the seats they won into the 25k and if you think this looks like normal behavior for a low/midstakes staking group? To me the only logical conclusion is that there has to be some information about the relationship that is being hidden from the players.

Now regarding my comments about the HS schedule I think we misunderstood each other. I'm not saying that most of the schedule consists of HS MTTs but rather that you have created a great HS environment with tournaments and structures that the regs really like but that it has not translated to the lower stakes. Someone who 12 tables $215-1ks does not have that many tournaments to pick between most days and will naturally end up playing a lot of Party and be happy with the structures. Now someone who 12 tables $22-109s like myself end up having to skip a lot of things on Party because there are so many options available to us overall and all the Party tournaments takes so long to complete that a decent % of your sessions are going to be stuck 1-tabling Party for 2-3 extra hours only to get 3-4 extra buy-ins back. I think a lot of people feel the same way and I think when I feel forced to skip big tournaments within my Buy-in range on the 2nd biggest site that it suggests something is very wrong. Also while the HS schedule has remained pretty consistent mid stakes gets changed around so much that it's impossible to plan around or have any sort of consistency with. I think most of us just want something that resembles Stars flagships: A big freezeout, a big KO and maybe some turbos in there. Not something where formats, structures and buy-ins changes every single week with no communication in the client or this thread. I find playing small/mid on Party feels like being a lab rat with no input and nowhere to voice concerns, and it's a very frustrating experience.

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Mickey for president!!!

Does he really compare Party's withered deepstacks with Star's Marathon? I guess we are doomed then.

Pads: Starting an mtt earlier with more chips to allow longer late reg makes zero sense. They are not even deep stacks they are exactly the same with an additional 100K starting stack. The reasons the deeps and marathon work well on stars is because they have a different structure, which gets ITM reasonably quick after 3.5 hours and then slows down after that which is what you want. No one wants to play for 5 hours to make the money.

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Hey guys,

Could you give me some feedback for which of these should change. Looking purely at "peak" schedule atm to optimize and then can go offpeak next.

It's currently 12:40am

Starting time - Players left at 12:40am

4pm - 20 people left (running time 8 hours 40) Hit guarantee exactly
5pm - 17 people left (running time 7 hours 40) Missed guarantee by 23 runners
6pm - 27 people left (running time 6 hours 40) Hit guarantee by 5 runners
7pm - 30 people left (running time 5 hours 40) Hit guarantee by 10 runners
8pm - 7 people left (running time 4 hours 40) Missed guarantee by 3 runners
9pm - 33 people left (running time 3 hours 40) Hit guarantee by 7 runners

Is there any of those people really would like to finish a lot earlier? From the numbers I see that the 4pm gets a lot of people registering at around 5-6pm, so seems relatively fine. As you can see as the night goes on the tournament become a lot faster so that they can all finish at reasonable time.

As you can see the tournaments are just scraping the runners, but thats fine with these relatively aggro guarantees, if we made any way quicker we would have to reduce guarantees slightly, that isn't necessarily the end of the world.

But yeah please post suggestion for any of these tournaments 4-9pm (peak)

Has Party done any research into late reg duration and participation?
There are some players who late reg at the last moment.... But would still play if late reg was cut by 30 min.
It's tough to analyse.

Off your last post it seems the duration isn't the problem.
ITM should be reached sooner.

Why there are no MTTs showing up in the lobby atm?

Nice job by the PLO team to cut blind levels 40% immediately in the main event after powerfest so as to ensure a more action heavy format.

That tournament is smack in the middle of peak time as well. Obviously they have data suggesting players enjoy the lower blind times.

Which buy-in are these for and how shallow were the stacks? If it's a $55+ if satted into then I could see myself staying up as there is a potential big payday at the end but if it's for the micros I don't want to stay up for potentially another 2 hours to win a few hundred bucks with work in the morning.

With a normal GMT working week (9-5) I'd only register the 4-6pm games and the xx:15 turbos based on those numbers you've shown. If they're all finishing around 02:30 to 03:00 then, at a micro/low level, they don't really seem worth the lack of sleep for work in the morning.

I'd prefer slightly lower GTDs and an hour shaved off the finishing times for the sub $15 games.

field sizes are relevant too

In post #1752 he's talking about $1k tournaments. You could run these with 60 minute levels if you wanted to, 99% of the people here wouldn't care.

Afaik the earlier $22s on peak time go for almost 14 hours, let's not pretend getting itm is the only issue here. I can't imagine recs sticking an hours worth of their wages into a donkament are too happy about being up until morning.

It would be a start if anyone even pretended to give the slightest of ****s about small/mid stakes.

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I have no idea who the **** will like the current schedule of normal MTT's in the 5-33$ range (Fasts are ok, maybe too shallow even) - there are ONLY deepstack, smooth or SMOOTH DEEPSTACK?!?! tournaments that takes forever to get both to ITM and to finish, its annoying af.

I doubt this is true. Perhaps on sunday but even then I dont believe they took as long as 14hrs. Doesn’t mean we are not trying to shorten a few tournaments, but some people make out the problem to be bigger than it actually is. Sure the deepstacks take long, but they are called deepstacks for a reason.

The problem is not that there are deepstacks and they take long, the problem is that pretty much ALL 'normal' tournaments (at least in the 5-33$ range) are somewhat deepstacks and take too long.

My understanding is that the committee you are on is supposed to represent the players interest, so when people overwhelmingly respond that the tournament takes way too long (implying that there are too many deepstacks and/or structures are flawed) it's pretty patronizing to brush off criticism by telling us why they are called deepstacks.

This is a legitimate problem for people, I have no idea why you would try and marginalize what the customers in the last 20 responses have been talking about or how they should feel about it. It doesn't really feel to me like the player committee is on the side of the players.

It might be Sundays but I'm pretty sure I'm right. No idea how to publicly get this information.

The arrogance behind "some people make out the problem to be bigger than it actually is" is what is tilting the **** out of people. How do you define how big the problem is? Because clearly it isn't 'feedback from the players', which is the only way it should be measured by.

"Sure the deepstacks take long, but they are called deepstacks for a reason."
But you are redefining the word deepstack. Some of Party's deepstacks are on another level when compared to 'Monster Stacks' on Winamax, "Deep Stacks' on Stars, and even "Deepstack Starfishes(or whatever fishes)' and 'Big Fishes' with 15 minute levels on 888. Everyone else has one definition for deepstack tournaments and Party is the odd one out.

Problem is that they are not deepstacks, they are normal tournaments with added 100K starting stack. I am surprised that none can see difference. They play exactly as deep as normal tournaments. Only difference is that they take ages to get ITM, later on the average stack is the same as normal tournaments.

hi,

which buy ins plz ?

let me speak ab my area, the micros. this:

-the early evening/late afternoon 17.00 german time (5pm? plz help im so sry!) 1,5k gtd 2,2 buy in deepstack i like. maybe you could test it with 3,3 buy in. it has potential in my eyes- ofc it takes very Long (i am not sure i like it or not) to reach the Money- i would make late reg 12 Level-not 16.

-the 18.00 german time (6pm ? ) 3k gtd 3,3 buy in pko is very nice! very good starting time-very good late reg (2hours) and if i speak from yesterday nearly 4k at the end in the pool...let it how it is PLEASE.

this are the only two tournaments i Play actually! i like to see and WILL Play the 3k gtd 3,3 buy in (is it the main Event or what is the Name this week? )if i have time/fun at 7pm and the 5k gtd 5,5 buy in pko at 8pm i will Play from time to time in the future too.

a big gtd maybe 2-4k. 2,2 3,3 or 4,4 buy in clean Turbo or hyper between 5-8pm (late afternoon or early evening) would be a hit i think.


and some good in the micro area early afternoon would be good!

the 6max 1k gtd at 1pm 2,2 or 3,3 buy in is simply to Long it eats your day! i like such a tournament but i cant Play it! wrong starting time or/and 6max NEED faster structure or you going stupid with the time...

just my (quick) Feedback