same here,i dont want to play huge fields and dont give fk what the gte is,i know they attract more recs who just look at the bi and the first prize and off they go...but the off peak ones are never gona get that big anyway so why ruin them,do all the changes to the peak ones starting at 3pm uk time,the kick offs but leave the mtts b4 them back the way they were,or how about adding $11s at .30 past the hr,the fact they all have re entry now will boost numbers too

didnt read that therel be turbos running not on the hr,thats great news,bk afew months ago there was great schedule with turbos with 6 min blinds and a great structure....theres hope for ye yet

Im going to go out on a limb, *** it, and say that Patrick (pads) is devising a schedule that is best for BitB and to attract HRs to the site.

We are experiencing these updates based on what??? Pads advice and opinion, whom has a large portion of one of the largest staking operations. There hasn't been one shred of evidence shared... not a single equation showing what this tournament is mathematically better that that tournament; not a single marketing strategy how this "improved" schedule will improve site traffic to generate more games in the future.

I will share the process why recs liked the smaller fields on Party, and why Party would rather have massive fields:

Lets assume the game is $11 (10+1) 8-max reg speed. Assume in small field 1st is $500, in large field 1st is $5000.

If you ship (1st) the small field 10x in 50 attempts... you spent $555, Party rake is $55. You earn $5000 (4445 profit)

If you ship (1st) the large field once in 100 attempts... you spent $1100, Party rake is $100. You earn $5000 (3900 profit).

Which game cannibalize the poker economy for rec players more???

I recommend using customer feedback, customer surveys, trend analysis, social economic issues, etc to make adjustments... not someone that has something to gain.

Anyways... I respect Pads, BitB, and Party's hustle. I will be selective in game choice.

You are delusional if you really think recs prefer smaller fields. Please do some research before you post anything

If you search in sharkscope every tournament in Party Poker has much higher ability factor than Pokerstars. At some point 530 PKO at party hit 90 ability while 530 bounty builder was at 81 the same day

Average ability factor between 55-215$ in PP is at 81-82 while at Pokerstars is at 76. That means the tournaments in pokerstars are much softer and PP needs more recs to play there. You really think a rec who will deposit 100$ to play a tournament will prefer one that you can win 5k over one that you can win 15k?

I am not connected with Pads in any way neither i like some changes but hands down party has the best structure in their tournaments and they are trying to get schedule right

Well since you're into name calling... I consider myself a rec, therefore Im speaking first hand experience hbu

I couldnt agree more with tournament structure. Spot on.

My point is that these additional adjustments are being influenced by someone that has a greater stake than you or I. Am I still delusional? That is a FACT.

The math I provided... FACT.

Show me hard evidence... Im not opposed to stating Im wrong, when I am. But the discussion, argument, is simply that the overall changes share with us here are not data driven nor based on majority customer feedback.

I have nothing against any party Ive mentioned. No ill will is intended. I, like most, want the best possible site for all skill levels at the best cost value.

Dude you wrote ''I will share the process why recs liked the smaller fields on Party, and why Party would rather have massive fields''

Recs like bigger gtd bigger first places. You can search every tournament above 55$ within a month in PP and Pokerstars and see the ability factors. I did it for myself when i wrote a long post here. You are one rec and you belong in the exception of the rule when there is a huge gap in ability factor between those two platforms

Your math might be or might not be correct but your math doesnt prove the FACT. Which is that recs prove that prefer pokerstars mtt approach more. What you are saying is i will prove you that 2+2=4 so i prefer potatoes

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equivalent tournament in stars:



Also when i was in Vegas do you know what recs told me? Why we should play cash? We will deposit 500$ and we can win what? 3000$? i prefer to play a tournament with the chance to win 50k

You can't compare average ability between different sites, only between different tournaments on the same site iirc.

most regs at 55$ and especially at 109-215$ are playing in pokerstars aswell. That doesnt apply to fishes though. So yes i can

Am I wrong to suggest maybe some of the structures are too good now? I think the PSKO's should have slighter faster structures, more so in the early stages so more bounties will be in play, then slow down when approaching ITM. I think they are too deep with too long of levels. Especially early.

Please reconsider the color coding you're using in the lobby right now, the blue for regular MTT's is almost not readable in the Bwin lobby

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Thanks a lot :-)

And what's happening with those blinds again?? I don't want to play 10+ hrs again in an mtt?? Why? It was perfect before

Pads is getting a bit of an unfair rap on this schedule change - if party is spending $3million in leaderboard promos over the next few months they shouldn't be expected to eat a bunch of overlays while the population responds to the new scehdule.

Also they're probably experimenting with different options before leaderboard begins etc.

I've seen a few Party executives work on MTT scheduling/strategy and i can say the process is waaaay more data-driven than you might expect.

Just mentioned that yesterdays jab took 10.5 hrs... come on party, this will not work :/

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+1, far to long/slow for everyday bread and butter low stakes mtts,the 12 min levels are prob overkill with the slow structure

Slow structure is nice when we have time. Slow structure favors pros/regs because most (not all) are skilled enough to overcome errors and beats.

Even if a rec likes a 50k gtd for $55, I doubt they can afford the time (or want to grind 10+hrs) to reach final 3 tables. Sure some will... no doubt. But there are some already grinding their schedule.

If you honestly ask yourself, and not for greedy reasons, are longer tournaments the key to success to grow Party and keep most customers (100% is not achievable) happy?

I believe you will find regs happy with the schedule. Lots of regs are backed, so stakers are happy when their regs do well in tournaments structured for skilled players.... oh wait, isn't Pads a key component to BitB and a spokesperson in Party tournament sector? Am I the only one that sees the correlation????

It may be a bit difficult for us to get excited at this point when it feels like you do this every other week. I hope you're right, but I'm not holding my breath.

I like the structures. But I'm a nit

Great, but just think about it longterm...

People who're working from 9 to 5, will not play from 6 till let us say 4am again and again... -> the site will be full of regs again.

Enough people who just want to play a 5-6 hrs session after work for example, but that's not possible on party, no turbo's/hypers, and their regular games are just way too long. It's not a good idea to have only turbo's running after 10pm CET (and actually my opinion is that those games aren't turbo's either with 8 min blinds now), those games are only good for people who're playing a daily 6pm-4am session, and that's just not possible for people who have a daytime job. -> so I guess longterm people will just leave this site.

We need a bigger variaty in tournament lengts, I don't mind that party offers few deepstack games (oh right they have also games running with 16 min blinds at 4pm CET)

But please offer something for everybody, create something that some people can also play a 5 hr session for example

Thx

Totally agree that all these small stakes mtts take way too long.

Get rid of the first 2 levels, start at 600/1200, and then you punish people who want to late reg level 12 for 14bb (which still gives them a chance to spin up)

If everything else stays the same, you cut out 25 mins and drive a bit more action earlier in these tournaments.

4.5/9k and 45/90k are also unnecessary levels. without those, we get to 9 1/2 hrs which seems like a reasonable length for a small stakes daily don't you think

hey guys, i think the uppercut turbo prog is better as a 8handed tourney, if participation drops can u consider changing it back? Thanks

Over 4.5 hrs to reach ITM in the $10k jab. Much much too long imo.

Hi,

First of all, sad that again have to come and say that there isn't some "inside job" going on. Sad when waking up at 5am to check if the $22 $1k gtd hit or not! I genuinely care about the whole schedule, every hour every day, in terms of making everything rosy for me and my guys... Remember there has been $3m+ injected in leaderboard to give back to regulars etc, I've said it before but I think life time maybe 1 guy out of infinite tries has ever won the leaderboard from people I work with, if you look at what the guarantees will be like at $1-$11 where nobody I know plays these games you will see just how wrong you are here. The vast majority of the investment is either for the lowest guys, helping the entire ecology or from the big grinders (my guys are not grinders) its really insulting when somebody is so insulting, but I 100% get it, I was on the ground time and time again trying to find reasons why Luke/Bryan or whoever else wasn't making me happy when I was playing lower stakes, I get it but just trust me and if by March 5th you genuinely think that the schedule is built for "pads guys" I would be very surprised.

In your assumption about me trying to change the rake/cannabalization for my guys at $11 tournaments, my quick estimation is that 99.5%+ of the fields are made up of people I have no idea exist/who they are. I understand witch hunting / conspiracy theories are fun (I spend way, way too much of my time on them!) but this one doesn't make sense I promise.

Anyway, as I said, give us to March 5th then burn us down, thats only really when can be judged/criticised. Will be the biggest inclusion there has ever been seen from partypoker of its loyal low stakes players.

FWIW whilst there's been tonnes of changes at party over the last years getting us to the point now of amazing potential, this is the first time ever, everything has been ripped up and started from scratch and first time ever I've been properly involved. Like I said lot of times, judge my involvement / the new product by the new schedule/software that launches with the leaderboards, that was initially Feb 5th, its not confirmed for March 5th. It won't be 100% perfect, nothing ever will be, but it will be very, very strong/logical.


For those who are speaking about starting times and some tournaments lasting 10 hours, this tournament was PURPOSELY designed to last for a long time, its a marathon style tournament allowing players who start at 3/4/5/6pm start their session every day with it, it finishes before the uppercut/jab etc, so players who are online anyway playing have an amazing structure to enjoy.

You can see throughout the day the clocks get quicker, we start with that early grind, then 12 minute quality tournaments and then later in the schedule 10 minutes, the very popular 8 minutes turbos and then 6 max turbos. Once the fuller schedule is live we already said yesterday we would add turbos in spots around the slower tournaments.

Even tournaments that are "slow" have a more meaninful structure, we don't start 200-250bbs+ like others with similar clock, we always start at 100bb and every pot means something.

Thanks for the reply. The jab kick off works nicely as a marathon as its a smaller field and starts earlier.

Please look at the kick off 10k which takes way too long to reach itm. Thanks.

I've decided to wait until all the changes and the whole package (including software updates) have been implemented on March 5th before forming an opinion on how good or not so good I think things are and i'm waiting for good reason.

I noticed a couple of early changes I didn't like much in regards to missing tournaments/buy-in levels and immediately thought 'crap, this is terrible - looks like I need to start thinking about moving to another poker site' but, then saw a few days later that some of these changes had been countered by new tournaments being added that hadn't been there previously.

In other words, I think it's easy to 'jump the gun' a bit because of the way things look today for example but, it's important to remember that it may not be the way things look tomorrow and it certainly won't be the way things look on March 5th when everything is live because, that's still 3 weeks away. What we're seeing now is just bits and pieces being removed/added and not the finished product.

What I will give an opinion on thus far though, is the new colours being used to differentiate between tournaments. Gone is nearly everything being that 'faint light blue' colour (which by the way, I didn't like at all and personally found hard to read) and replaced with 'bold' colours that stand out and can easily identify the differences between tournament types. Great Job - IMO. I really like these changes and hope the'll be fixed in place come March 5th. I personally hope you get rid of that hard to read light blue colour from the schedule entirely. I think for plain tournaments (that aren't special or highlighted), you could just use a plain 'black' text (such as the text being used to write this post). It would be more readable that the faint light blue and yet, still wouldn't detract from the other bold colours now being used for the special tournaments.

I'll be observing the poker client with interest over the coming weeks

Yeah, I don't like the changes personally but will wait, probably not playing much in February though.