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08-17-2011 , 12:43 AM
I just wanted to get some input on my play from the MTT regulars on the site.

Played the above mentioned tourney last Saturday night. Started with 20K stacks and 30 min levels. Tourney was in the 4th blind level (100/200) and I had built my stack to 37K (2nd in chips at my table.) I had been playing TAG and had only showed down big hands.

The last hand before we go on break I pick up AA UTG+1 and raise to 525. SB had been playing over 50 percent of the hands and calls. BB had made a couple questionable plays, but was chipleader and also called. Flop is K 10 4. They both check to me and I bet 700. SB calls and BB check-raises to 2500. We both call and see a 4 on the turn. They both check to me and I bet 7800. SB folds and BB insta-shoves.

After betting the 7800 I have about 22.6K left behind. The BB had only showed down medium-strength hands up to this point. Best I had seen him have was TPTK. I definitely did not put him on a 4 or tens full. I had a very small thought that he may have Kings full, but the way he played I thought for sure he would have 3 bet me preflop with that. I really thought he had K 10, which I now beat with Aces up. He may have even went crazy with KQ. I think things through for about 90 seconds before he calls the clock. I then have 70 seconds to make my decision. I end up calling and he shows Kings full and I bust.

I feel like I made the right play based on the way he played and some of his holdings I had seen.

Opinions?
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08-17-2011 , 12:50 AM
fold he has kings full.

probably check back the turn or not bet so ridiculously huge
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08-17-2011 , 12:58 AM
Was my bet that big? Pot was 9075. Would something like 60% of the pot been better?
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08-17-2011 , 02:03 AM
7800 into 9075 is way too big...your bet sizing was excellent before that point as well.
4500-5000 would have been fine.

Check back the turn though...you've just been c/raised you still don't really know where you are. Check back the turn and it's an easy river call/value bet.
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08-17-2011 , 06:15 AM
First post here.

I assume you don't have the A? What is SB's stack?

I don't like only betting 700 on the flop, too weak. You've got the chips, so bet 1100 and put pressure on flush/straight draws and on the SB (who is playing 50% of his hands). You want to force somebody out.

Calling BB's check-raise on the flop is setting you up for a bad spot if SB has a decent draw and realizes he could shove and represent a set.

BB's check on the turn is suspicious. If you must bet, won't 3000-3500 tell you what you want to know? Gotta figure you're beat when he shoves. If it was K10 he would've bet out on the turn (anything that beats K10 on the turn would've been more aggressive on the flop and he's not gonna let you guys draw for free).
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08-17-2011 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeDiego
7800 into 9075 is way too big...your bet sizing was excellent before that point as well.
4500-5000 would have been fine.

Check back the turn though...you've just been c/raised you still don't really know where you are. Check back the turn and it's an easy river call/value bet.
+1

Hand was great up until turn.
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08-17-2011 , 04:19 PM
Definitely check back the turn.

As played, I can see why you put him on exactly KT, since most people 3 bet with KK pre.

Weird line by him and sucks that he hit his two outter. But after one of the villains in the hand opts to c/r the flop, I'm probably not looking to play for stacks unless I know the c/ring villain is a complete ****** who will do stuff like that with TP or middle pair. Villain c/rs two villain, I'm not necessarily ditching the over pair but I am looking to control the size of the pot, which checking back the turn will allow me to do.
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08-17-2011 , 07:59 PM
Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate the insight.
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08-17-2011 , 08:14 PM
The turn is a clear value bet as u now lose to almost nothing. This is like literally the best card for you--totally disagree with people who say check back.
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08-17-2011 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
The turn is a clear value bet as u now lose to almost nothing. This is like literally the best card for you--totally disagree with people who say check back.
Agree, we also take away more outs to QJ type stuff as well. Plus board is so draw heavy.
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08-17-2011 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
The turn is a clear value bet as u now lose to almost nothing. This is like literally the best card for you--totally disagree with people who say check back.
That was my thinking as well. K 10 is now beat and no draw came in either. Like others here say, I may have bet too much, but I honestly did not want to check here.
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08-17-2011 , 08:33 PM
were still 3 way ott
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08-17-2011 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
were still 3 way ott
good. more value to be had.
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08-17-2011 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
The turn is a clear value bet as u now lose to almost nothing. This is like literally the best card for you--totally disagree with people who say check back.
Are you thinking bet/fold then?

I can see your point about this being a good card, but villain still wants to play for stacks, which makes me leery.

But who am I kidding, I probably stack off here as well. But being a nit, every time the board pairs like that my first is usually "OMG one of these ******s probably stuck around with a 4" even though I know that's totally illogical. So I often end up checking back, even if it's not for the right reason.
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08-17-2011 , 09:03 PM
yeah I b/f--its hard for us to be beat but a double c/r line is super strong.
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08-17-2011 , 09:06 PM
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good. more value to be had.
so were going for 3 streets here?
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08-17-2011 , 09:10 PM
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so were going for 3 streets here?
usually yes but even if we only go for 2--turn is a superior street to get it on considering the draws.
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08-17-2011 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
usually yes but even if we only go for 2--turn is a superior street to get it on considering the draws.
Does not compute - you just said you want to bet/fold?
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08-18-2011 , 01:44 PM
villains shown down a bunch of medium- big hands so im inclined to check here. we still have plenty of chips and i dont want to play for stacks this early with 2 pair.

rivers an easy call when he bets IMO barring a club.
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08-18-2011 , 01:51 PM
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Does not compute - you just said you want to bet/fold?
I think the SB has a draw almost everytime and people are way less likely to c/r turns on this board with a draw, they will call often enough though that betting is better than checking imo
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08-18-2011 , 01:54 PM
yeah basically what Dereds said. Randoms dont double c/r draws on paired turn cards, (working on not giving them credit) but they will call a 1/2 pot bet.
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08-18-2011 , 02:06 PM
umm i would prolly bet the turn for value but fold to the check raise. the first hand that came to mind would be 4xcc. i would also bet the turn like 5800
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08-18-2011 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
The turn is a clear value bet as u now lose to almost nothing. This is like literally the best card for you--totally disagree with people who say check back.
I agree with this.

But especially live against randoms is anyone just folding on the flop here 3 way?
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08-18-2011 , 03:59 PM
I don't think we can against those villains on this texture when we bet < 1/2 pot
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08-18-2011 , 10:05 PM
would've bet more on the flop.

like the point that turn is a good card and certainly there are combos we are beating, so might go for a call here, depending on reads.
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