It was not at all clear.

From the league overview:

http://www.federatedinc.com/our-comp...nd-tournaments

I know it's Chainsaw but I also know he can read and am surprised he didn't. The 2% is clearly spelled out in their literature.

A few things I wouldn't mind changed.


Antes from the start:

A good way to balance adding more levels and not making the structure to good would be to have antes from the start of the tournament.

100/200 25 150/300 25 200/400 50 250/500 50 300/600 100 400/800 100

Since 300/600 with no ante has now been eliminated only 1 additional level has been added but there is now a bit more deep meaningful play at the start.

By doing this we also add green chips into play as I believe they should be in play for at least the first few levels just in order to allow more flexibility in bet sizing.

Feel like antes from the start will be pretty important in driving action at a 8 handed table full of pro players.

Chip verification process

Since many players in this tournament are going to be buying in using bellagio flags. The process can easily be sped up by verifying players for all of their league buyins beforehand. I know the rio had made a list and if your name was on the list the chips were switched over quickly and the buyin process was sped up.

90 min dinner break

This is a super minor complaint but 75 minutes is just rushed for a lot of the nicer restaurants. The 100$ food vouchers are great in that you can get a nice meal and have it mostly covered but just a little extra time would go a long way for making these meals a bit less rushed.

Rake free

I though this side of it was a mistake by the league. I think in a tourney full of pros it should be made clear to everyone that nothing is being withheld for the dealers and i'd be pretty surprised if the dealers didn't receive more then 2% of the prizepool in tips.

I think Tom's suggestion re: structure is a very good one, except I'd make it 300/600/75.

Also pearljammer Jon turner.

It was advertised as rake-free all along. That literature you're referring to was probably modified a few days before the event.

I don't mind the reduced rake, but it should have been made clear, especially when they refunded rake in the $1500s.

With respect to the rake, Chainsaw is right. It was advertised as rake-free for months and only when the structures were released soon before the event was it stated that 2% would be withheld for dealers/staff. I doubt anyone participating in the league would object to 2% being withheld and probably would tip that amount or more anyway if there were no rake, but they should have been more up front about it given the emphasis they put on the event being rake-free.

Todd Annie duke asked me to have some pros with structure suggestions call her directly. She said she doesn't read the forums.

Would you be willing to call her. Pm me for her number if u don't have it.

I sent her an email with Tom's suggestion earlier today.

In Annie's email to qualifiers, May 6: "Our inaugural season will be played at the Palms Casino Resort and will feature four rake-free Main Events that you are eligible to enter."

The first I knew of the 2% staff withholding was from the structure sheets emailed on July 22. I was surprised.

This. For me, $20K for a four-day event, even with a 12.6% overlay, is a marginal proposition. Also, I like shorter five-level days without dinner breaks.

(Overlay calculation based only on added money with first event's 137 entrants, without value of season-end freeroll, rooms, and food vouchers.)

+1, i'm not involved but it's bull**** that they advertise rake free. 100% bull****. you can't say it's rakefree and then RAKE MONEY! regardless how you want to phrase it or whatever, it's still rake. i agree that it's fine taking it out, and the very fact that money is added negates anyone's right to complain about rake, but don't advertise your **** as rakefree if you're going to take out an entry fee.

also, i don't get it, $1k buyins aren't included but $1500s are right? what the hell?? what is it about $1ks that are so unskilled but $1500s are? they are the same goddamn tournament. if their min buyin for requirements for getting a card into the EPL is $1500 that's absolute BS. i agree they need SOME requirements but if it's any indication that only 134 or whatever showed up and 200 were qualified, they should just include $1ks anyway.

The Epic Poker League is perhaps the worse name for anything of all time..

Thats my only comment/suggestion.

annie said that they didn't want to lower it to 1k because it would mean including the bellagio weeklys, the venetian deepstacks, some random euro tournaments, etc - all a lot harder to independently verify on average than $1500+'s. she did admit that it was pretty reasonable that ALL wsop bracelet events should count though, especially as 1k's really aren't any different than the $1500s and are still equally weighted as 10ks in terms of "title events".

how hard is it to put in the criteria "only $1500 events and above count towards completing criteria, with the exception of wsop 1ks"

+plo ufo

not sure what is so epic about these poker reflections

"The League of Extraordinaryly Epic Poker Players" sounds about where we should be with the title IMO.

epic comment

epic....

Yes should be changed to what I suggested.
100/200
150/300
200/400
250/500
250/500 50 ante
300/600 50 ante
400/800 50 ante
500/100 100 ante

The pots were so ridiculous at levels 2-4 in 6 max; of course having Ninjas at table didnt help-lol. Structure really needs to be changed. Time a factor? How about making day 1 levels one hour(then start at 25/50) instead of 90 minutes and day 2 make 90 minute levels Once money bubble busts go to 2 hour levels. Final table roll back blinds one level.
Not that complicated and finally a tournament doing something different!

Maybe let have players vote on next structure? Chainsaw would prob want PLO every 30 minutes

Now that is EPIC!! WP.

In my email to Annie yesterday I requested a player vote on the next structure.

Pretty naive if you think that all or most would tip that amount or more. There are plenty of players that stiff and it's pretty redic to ask the dealers to hope that whomever wins or makes one of the top spots tips "appropriately"

Note that I'm not defending the current status quo in which dealers are paid a relatively low hourly and are expected to "make it up" by tips (either withheld or not). However it is the situation and therefore needs to be dealt with.