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04-08-2011 , 12:00 AM
someone show me where i f'd up lol. ( i lost the hand)


    Poker Stars, $0.25 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8829562

    Hero (MP2): 1,490 (74.5 bb)
    MP3: 840 (42 bb)
    CO: 1,950 (97.5 bb)
    BTN: 1,310 (65.5 bb)
    SB: 1,930 (96.5 bb)
    BB: 1,640 (82 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,350 (67.5 bb)
    MP1: 1,510 (75.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9 9
    UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 20, Hero raises to 80, MP3 calls 80, CO folds, BTN calls 80, 2 folds, MP1 calls 60

    Flop: (350) 5 7 2 (4 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets 262, MP3 folds, BTN calls 262, MP1 calls 262

    Turn: (1,136) K (3 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets 460, BTN calls 460, MP1 calls 460

    River: (2,516) 6 (3 players)
    MP1 bets 708 and is all-in, Hero calls 688 and is all-in, BTN folds




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    04-08-2011 , 01:07 AM
    I think you got involved too early (10/20 Blinds) in a big pot. I'd put the opponents on str8 draws that hit.
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    04-08-2011 , 01:09 AM
    so c/f turn
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    04-08-2011 , 01:09 AM
    river* i ment
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    04-08-2011 , 01:12 AM
    Wow, I just seen the REPLAYER. MP1 called w/ a pair and BDFD. IDK, maybe a bigger (2/3 of the pot) bet on the flop and fold if raised. If called, you have to bet out, I think, with a bigger amount.

    I still say you got involved too early. I wouldn't have raise w/ 99 PF, but then I'm a nit.
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    04-08-2011 , 01:14 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shipit586
    so c/f turn
    NO! You have to bet out there because the Check will be seen as weakness.
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    04-08-2011 , 07:48 AM
    Just flat preflop and slamhit the flop, if no 9 on flop run forrest!
    Those stakes are bingo partjes imho
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    04-08-2011 , 07:56 AM
    seems like a trivial turn shove to me. or check behind and autofold most rivers.
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    04-08-2011 , 10:26 AM
    c/f turn. It sucks but you are multiway early so the chances are very good that someone has a K. At this point, chips are still easy to come buy, so don't kill yourself to early. You can maybe c/c but then you are committing yourself on the river.
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    04-08-2011 , 10:42 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mkost
    c/f turn. It sucks but you are multiway early so the chances are very good that someone has a K. At this point, chips are still easy to come buy, so don't kill yourself to early. You can maybe c/c but then you are committing yourself on the river.
    Why are the chances "very good" someone got to the turn with a K?
    Either shove the turn or give up imo.
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    04-08-2011 , 10:44 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChetWisner
    NO! You have to bet out there because the Check will be seen as weakness.
    this is bad logic. You cannot bet just to look strong. You have to bet for a specific ev reason. Especially in a mw, raised pot. You can raise because 1) you get value from weaker hands or 2) you get value form people folding to your bluff. In this spot, we are either WA/WB.

    If they are drawing they have probably ~20% once the turn comes. They need a , a 6, a 4, or 2 outs to a set/trips, or 5 outs to 2 pair. If they have 45, worst case vs a drawing hand, they have 17 outs (if I counted right) 1 time so they have ~34%.

    If they are ahead they have 2 pair, a set, or an overpair. Overpairs that may be likely are pretty much TT or Kx with a weak kicker. Set's and 2pair are not folding, TT might, and Kx, probably not because they would not have called a flop if they did not plan to stack a K when it comes. So a bluff doesn't work too well if you are beat.

    So, back to my main point, if you are betting, you are betting to get value from weaker hands (mainly draws) and need to just shove. You are not betting to "look strong". As Furo said, a shove on the turn could be right to charge draws, or a fold.
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    04-08-2011 , 10:48 AM
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    Originally Posted by EPortJake
    Why are the chances "very good" someone got to the turn with a K?
    Either shove the turn or give up imo.
    very good is an overstatement. I would be much more scared of an A with 2 others who appear to be calling stations, but a lot of odd k's are in peoples calling ranges early.
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    04-08-2011 , 11:11 AM
    unlucky pal he calls you on the flop with middle pair which is the sort of hand that you wont to be calling you, then the turn brings another spade I'm a little worried but not overly worried so the c-bet again but you c bet 460 into a 1'136 which is like 1/3 of the pot so you are pricing flush draws into the pot, then he gets there on the turn and your pot committed
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    04-08-2011 , 12:11 PM
    I jam the turn.
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    04-08-2011 , 01:02 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by furo
    seems like a trivial turn shove to me. or check behind and autofold most rivers.
    yeah
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    04-08-2011 , 01:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mkost
    this is bad logic. You cannot bet just to look strong.
    I think you may be reading me out of context. I was speaking of betting the turn becuase he has already shown strength by PFR and betting the flop. After the K comes on the turn, a check will scream "I can't beat a pair of kings".
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