What's the current thinking on this? I am using 12x as my number, which I will fudge a bit depending on skill levels, ICM and position, but 12 is my default.

My default is 15x. Though there are times I shove with up to 22 blinds. It depends on position for me. If I am in the SB I will shove with up to 20 blinds typically.

The problem I found was that when I min raise with between 12 and 15 blinds it makes postflop play very tricky and before I know it I have 10 blinds if I cbet. Which has less fold equity all in preflop because my range will be a lot wider and everyone knows it.

There isn't one. At 12bb especially you should not openjam everything, but even at 10bb usually not. You can limp or raise. Especially in ICM spots raising even at 10bb will be important. And then something like BvB play, there you absolutely cannot play shove only even at 10bb. SB is openlimping around 30 % there. Same goes for flatting, especially if you are a shortstack among big stacks, you should still have a calling range against their RFI even if you have just 7bb (on BB, SB but even on BTN).

And high risk premium spots can make you have minraises even with 3bb left, because it gives you chance to fold if multiple larger stacks go allin on a final table.


Few random examples:

Thanks for those charts, MTT. For me, I'd rather not have to develop a limping range; not only does it make my preflop game tree larger, I don't really have a good sense as to how to play those spots post (I do have a limp strategy for SB).

Yeah you dont have to limp. Shallow it is better than raising, but obviously harder to pull off and the EV difference wont be big. But deciding to only jam at 12bb would be massive leak. The only reason to apply strategy like that would be if you are a $3 avg player that somehow multistep qualified into $1050+ online tournament where everyone plays better than you postflop, so your strategy would be to max latereg and just try to simplify it by jamming a lot.

I like simplifying 12b and under for beginner-intermediate players. It's a bit harder to exploit tight opponents with mins it's way harder to learn the thresholds. ICMIZER easily shows nash push fold plus they're easy to nodelock. Open shoving any 2 on SB or BU vs the average too tight player will print. Learning a push fold strategy takes less time. HRC or Simple Preflop(learning mins) is harder and lengthier. A beginner-intermediate should learn a sophisticated strategy elsewhere either deeper stacks preflop(15-40b) or BU vs BB postflop. The meat and potatoes of winrate comes from the most common spots.

You're way over doing it in EP 15b purely min raises. Postflop can be awkward but it shouldn't be that adamantly avoided. Most players at micro-low stakes will overfold and not check raise enough vs cbets. It's worth going over some 15b ICM ranges for a brief overview in GTOw or Preflop Academy if you have either of those.

I'm happy to be overdoing it.

The tournament I just won I survived by basically never being called all in (and it happened earlier this year as well and at the Borgota years ago in a $230 bounty tourney with $100 bounties where they should have called one of my roughly dozen all ins- in fact one of the players at the final table yelled at the other players for never calling me). This time with 14 blinds I went all in UTG with A8s when we were 7 players. I did it about 5 times with a variety of hands (AQ/AJ/KQ/97s/QJs) and was not called until the chip leader (CL) called me when we were 3 way and I jammed about 15-16 blinds in the SB with JJ. He had TT and that made me the CL.

Of course I should have been knocked out with 9 blinds much earlier with Ax when I jammed pre-flop. I didn't know what the "x" was until I had to turn over my hand vs AQo. I had A6o and survived.

It has a little to do with my image which is OMC tight and not over aggro. The image does not reflect reality, but when I am short stacked I try to take advantage of it.

Part of the reason I do it is because when I have >15 blinds I min raise and for the most part am not happy with the results. I am getting jammed on by players who look GTO/Solveresque and may have worse hands but I can't call with hands like ATs/77/etc. I would much rather be all in with 55 and have the GTO guys fold A6s-A9s. So I prefer not to have little Fold Equity. I get that solvers are clear about the advantages but it hasn't worked for me (and for the record I don't trust solvers to be exploitative). I am also being called by BB's and when I miss 2/3 of the time when I have no PP it rarely works out well. I cbet virtually all the time heads up and that's where the disasters start. Even when I choose to not cbet the BB leads out the turn 100% and I fold mostly.

Edit: I should note that I don't play online or Low cost tournaments in general.

You can win tournaments playing an aiof 15b and below strategy. It torches EV not min raising at 15b. If you raise a hand on the top of your range you have to be comfortable with calling it off unless you're against a nit. on BU and CO 77 and ATs is always a call in theory. I would spend some time in GTOw and ICMIZER to learn the calling reshove ranges. GTOw for whats supposed to happen in theory and ICMIZER for nodelocking. They're supposed to reshove a lot most players don't get near the reshove range. The regs that do are usually cautious about jamming on people they're unsure about. Worst case scenario is you get a looser reshover and you have to tighten up your range. You can get away with raising more often. It's a pretty safe strategy as long as your aggressive enough post flop wing it. BU vs BB you can range bet pretty much every A board any other position you can as well. 9 and higher boards bet at a high frequency of 82 percent. In practice vs most players you can just cbet everything because they do not check raise or defend enough. Disconnected 8 and lower flops range bet, oesd possible bet at a high frequency and mono boards do as well. Only flops you don't wanna bet often are the 8 connected. You're probably doing better than you think you are because in theory and in practice cbetting often works very well. How do you play turns and would you like coaching? I can tackle general 15b play and we can go over fundamental spots.