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04-29-2017 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
You get squeezed a lot if there are good aggro regs behind, J high isnt really good to play multiway like people think it is, you arent anywhere near closing the action, you dont have ultimate position. There really is just no good reason to be calling. When you flop a J or 10, you never have the best kicker either. At least if you 3-bet, you get better Jx/10x to fold pre.

Imo fold>3-bet>>>>>>>>>flat

JTs is one of the best 3-bet bluffs pre you can have

This post is all wrong dude
So first. 3b mp vs utg1 range should be really tight @ 40bb effective as a default strategy vs players who are positionally aware w their opens. vs a random playing a standardish strategy

you should obv start with aa,kk,qq for value. jj is close and should probably flat some 3b some. then you can have ak all combos and thats basically all you need -- aqs could be a decent combo but id flat here w a hand like this a decent amount and mix in some 3bs vs some looser strategies. Now you can add some 3b bluffs, j10s is a bad choice for a few reasons.

3b bluffing hands for this spot should probaly be like a medium percentage of a2-a5s and throw in kqo type hands. these hands do a good job blocking the hands we dont want utg to be having and will also do well if we get called.
(think about the hands you want utg to be raise/folding from utg, kj,aj,a10,k10 etc, and also the hands we dont block aa,kk,qq, ak)

Now you need some hands to vpip that arent exclusively 66-tt so you dont get owned on hi card boards. so flatting some strong broadways and some good sc will be good imo. hands like 98s and j10s at the bottom and aqo, kqs type hands. vs some tighter opponents or on aggro tables i could get behind folding bottom hands of this range like 98s/j10s, and the open is a little big for 2.5x, for a min raise itd be a much better call. But think calling 2.5x here j10s is prolly gonna be fine and slightly better than folding bc of the antes and bc your not telling me theres a table full of pros who are gonna be putting you in tough spots

Now if the opener is just some random fun player whos going to fold everything and the rest of the tables v passive they sure vamoo and 3b but this would be a exploitative adjustment to a high f23b% and a loosish utg open % if you have your mental Pokertracker running
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04-29-2017 , 03:46 PM
^please
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04-29-2017 , 05:12 PM
whatchumeantho^
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04-29-2017 , 05:19 PM
I mean it positively. As in was a good post and I agree
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04-29-2017 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
This post is all wrong dude
So first. 3b mp vs utg1 range should be really tight @ 40bb effective as a default strategy vs players who are positionally aware w their opens. vs a random playing a standardish strategy

you should obv start with aa,kk,qq for value. jj is close and should probably flat some 3b some. then you can have ak all combos and thats basically all you need -- aqs could be a decent combo but id flat here w a hand like this a decent amount and mix in some 3bs vs some looser strategies. Now you can add some 3b bluffs, j10s is a bad choice for a few reasons.

3b bluffing hands for this spot should probaly be like a medium percentage of a2-a5s and throw in kqo type hands. these hands do a good job blocking the hands we dont want utg to be having and will also do well if we get called.
(think about the hands you want utg to be raise/folding from utg, kj,aj,a10,k10 etc, and also the hands we dont block aa,kk,qq, ak)

Now you need some hands to vpip that arent exclusively 66-tt so you dont get owned on hi card boards. so flatting some strong broadways and some good sc will be good imo. hands like 98s and j10s at the bottom and aqo, kqs type hands. vs some tighter opponents or on aggro tables i could get behind folding bottom hands of this range like 98s/j10s, and the open is a little big for 2.5x, for a min raise itd be a much better call. But think calling 2.5x here j10s is prolly gonna be fine and slightly better than folding bc of the antes and bc your not telling me theres a table full of pros who are gonna be putting you in tough spots

Now if the opener is just some random fun player whos going to fold everything and the rest of the tables v passive they sure vamoo and 3b but this would be a exploitative adjustment to a high f23b% and a loosish utg open % if you have your mental Pokertracker running
So explain to me how "all" this is wrong.

1) If there are good aggro regs behind, you will get squeezed a lot and cannot realize any of your equity.

2) J high is not good to play multiway, especially when (#3 & #4)

3) You're not anywhere near closing the action

4) You will not likely have ultimate position

5) When you flop a J or 10, you pretty much never have the best kicker and have RIO against better Jx/10x/overpairs

6) If you 3b pre, you fold better 10x & Jx, which is the point of a 3b bluff.

Whether this hand should be a 3b pre or fold (the only one point in my post that could be wrong/is debatable), but saying that everything being "wrong" in my post is pretty absurd.
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04-29-2017 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
This post is all wrong dude
So first. 3b mp vs utg1 range should be really tight @ 40bb effective as a default strategy vs players who are positionally aware w their opens. vs a random playing a standardish strategy

Pretty obv, but we still need some bluffs.

you should obv start with aa,kk,qq for value. jj is close and should probably flat some 3b some. then you can have ak all combos and thats basically all you need -- aqs could be a decent combo but id flat here w a hand like this a decent amount and mix in some 3bs vs some looser strategies.

Seems fine and standard

3b bluffing hands for this spot should probaly be like a medium percentage of a2-a5s and throw in kqo type hands. these hands do a good job blocking the hands we dont want utg to be having and will also do well if we get called.
(think about the hands you want utg to be raise/folding from utg, kj,aj,a10,k10 etc, and also the hands we dont block aa,kk,qq, ak)

I'd 3-bet some KQo/AJo/A5s/A4s. If you only 3-bet high-card value hands, your range is too predictable. I'd probably be very selective and not 3-betting anywhere near a high frequency with any SC.

Now you need some hands to vpip that arent exclusively 66-tt so you dont get owned on hi card boards. so flatting some strong broadways and some good sc will be good imo. hands like 98s and j10s at the bottom and aqo, kqs type hands. vs some tighter opponents or on aggro tables i could get behind folding bottom hands of this range like 98s/j10s, and the open is a little big for 2.5x, for a min raise itd be a much better call. But think calling 2.5x here j10s is prolly gonna be fine and slightly better than folding bc of the antes and bc your not telling me theres a table full of pros who are gonna be putting you in tough spots

Yeah, it's fine to be flatting 98s/J10s OTB or CO, but when you're MP + 1 or something and have 5-7 guys behind you, there's no good reason to be flatting the bottom of your range here. The 6 main points ^^^^ explain it pretty well. And they don't necessarily have to be a table full of pros to be put in tough spots. Just 1-2 good aggro regs will know your range for cold-calling here is pretty weak, will squeeze hands with good card removal & playability postflop, and expect to just get through the PFR most of the time.

Now if the opener is just some random fun player whos going to fold everything and the rest of the tables v passive they sure vamoo and 3b but this would be a exploitative adjustment to a high f23b% and a loosish utg open % if you have your mental Pokertracker running
Okay maybe I was exaggerating when I said JTs is one of the best bluffing hands we can have here. I still stand by fold pre>3b>>>>>>>>flat. Also, when you make a flush here, it's very unlikely you're going to not get stacked/be good when you GII as opposed to when you make a flush in a 3b pot. I hope you can see why.
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