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10-28-2024 , 08:14 PM
Final table, just in money, seven handed. 7th paid 2x buy in and first pays 15x. Blinds are huge 40/20/40 and average stack is only 320k. Blinds going up to 60/30/60 next hand. Room takes the bb first, not the bb ante, if short.

I am in the big blind with 210k. I offer a chop before hand is dealt but one says no. Action folds to the button, omc, who shoves 175k, sb folds. According to my calculations, 3 of the 4 next players won’t survive the new blinds. If I call and lose, I can survive until the next bb with 5k.

What are you folding/calling with?

Last edited by jjjou812; 10-28-2024 at 08:28 PM.
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10-28-2024 , 10:32 PM
So 55k to win 325k, I mean your left with crumbs regardless so pretty much any 2 cards in theory, maybe I can fold 72 83os sometimes but probably not.

You’ll have 35 left in the sb where maybe you can get a spin and like you said, you can go another orbit so you’re going to ladder a couple of times.

Call any 2 I think is the play.

If you win vs btn you’ll have piles relatively speaking, also going forward people arnt going to steal off you with trash when they see you snap 94os.
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10-29-2024 , 12:27 AM
55k to win 325k? I dunno where you got that. I get 135k to win 275k.
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10-29-2024 , 02:39 PM
Was mistakenly using this “up to 60/30/60 next hand” - also I gather I’m
miscalculating the BBA as chips that we have contributed to the pot, thinking we can subtract them from the total amount required for us to call?

Is the BBA considered funds of the player for the main pot or funds of every player?

I have never played using a BBA.
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10-29-2024 , 04:04 PM
The big blind ante is, like an ante, in the main pot.

Shove is for 175k
BB has posted 40k blind so only has to call 135k
BB ante is 40k
SB is 20k

275k in the pot, calling 135k
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10-29-2024 , 06:44 PM
Ok, sweet.

Im calling any A, KQ,KJ, any pair obv, any suited broadways and tbh probably 89s a bunch.
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10-29-2024 , 06:47 PM
For future reference, a BB ante functions in game exactly like a regular ante would; the only difference is that in live tournaments it's easier and faster to just make one person post an ante per hand rather than try to collect antes from everyone at the table every hand.
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10-29-2024 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
For future reference, a BB ante functions in game exactly like a regular ante would; the only difference is that in live tournaments it's easier and faster to just make one person post an ante per hand rather than try to collect antes from everyone at the table every hand.
This is true 99.99% of the time. Where it falls apart is in situations like this. In some casinos when a player has < 2 bb's they have to post a full bb as the ante and whatever is left as their BB. This is fair because all the other players have been anteing for the BB. However more and more casinos are allowing the BB to post the BB first and then whatever they have left for the ante. This is unfair because it takes advantage of other players anteing for the BB and now the BB isn't doing the same. Not that it matters much in either case because there often are a number of people just limping and elimination will be likely. But surviving against multiple people in the latter case means an increased stack size while in the first case it can be as little as just getting back the ante (if the BB <= 1 bb).

Anyway a ridiculously crazy spot here. OMC could be going all in with most hands here because everyone folded and our stack is very small. Though OMC could be tight because 3 of the next 4 players will have to go all-in in their next blinds... So I would likely call a bit wide with like A8+/AXs/KT+/K7s+/Q9s+/55+ maybe some SC like JTs/T9s We are getting a little more than 2:1 pot odds which is basically needing 33%+ equity. Since losing doesn't knock us out I think we can gamble a little.
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10-30-2024 , 10:13 AM
Thanks for the responses. I actually played the same tournament today and we chopped even; in part, because some of the players were the same from the last one I raised in the OP and were victims of my play.

So, in the OP I tanked a little doing the math and I wanted the blinds to go on the guy on my left but I came to the conclusion that folding was worse than calling with any two. So I called with 53 and spiked a straight, knocking out a8 heads up. Then I went on to knock others out and icm chopped three ways as nominal chip leader.

I was a little pissed that I didn’t shove utg rather than put so many chips in as an ante but I had 83.
Part of me thinks the proper strategy is to shove under the gun unless you have less than 2 bbs because they take ante second.
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10-30-2024 , 01:52 PM
I think it's the right play. If we go down to 130k (then 100k most likely) we are relying on other players to get knocked out, which doesn't always happen. This way we have a real chance of winning the tournament if we double up and are only in terrible shape against a pair (unlikely the OMC has shoved with a better 5 or 3).
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10-31-2024 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
I was a little pissed that I didn’t shove utg rather than put so many chips in as an ante but I had 83.
I think that's totally fine. You can survive longer than you think. I would have to be at 5BB or less before I thought about shoving any two, and you had 8BB? I'd rather take my chances shoving something that has some equity when I'm called or at least blockers to calling hands.
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10-31-2024 , 04:12 AM
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. According to my calculations, 3 of the 4 next players won’t survive the new blinds.
The issue with this is you can't accurately predict what they'll do (shove and dblup vs blinding out).
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10-31-2024 , 10:09 AM
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I think that's totally fine. You can survive longer than you think. I would have to be at 5BB or less before I thought about shoving any two, and you had 8BB? I'd rather take my chances shoving something that has some equity when I'm called or at least blockers to calling hands.
I try to adjust and be less concerned when everyone is short (everyone has 10bbs or less).
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10-31-2024 , 10:11 AM
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The issue with this is you can't accurately predict what they'll do (shove and dblup vs blinding out).
I meant they have to put all their chips in the blind hands and must play a hand or two to survive, not the outcome. Ie, that they can’t fold their way through the round.
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