Should I cut this out of the bottom of my range? Are either of these good spots? I think my ~ usual range here at these stacks readless is A8+,KT+,22+ over limpers. That still too loose?

H#1: I think EP Limper is like 20/7 over 30 hands.

H#2: Both limpers have VPIPs over 35.

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BTN: t8920 M = 29.73
SB: t3610 M = 12.03
BB: t10580 M = 35.27
UTG: t5710 M = 19.03
UTG+1: t3800 M = 12.67
MP1: t7629 M = 25.43
MP2: t3240 M = 10.80
Hero (CO): t1976 M = 6.59

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is CO with K 9
UTG calls t200, 2 folds, MP2 calls t200, Hero raises to t1976 all in


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SB: t1320 M = 8.80
BB: t5750 M = 38.33
UTG: t1290 M = 8.60
UTG+1: t1365 M = 9.10
UTG+2: t2510 M = 16.73
MP1: t1400 M = 9.33
MP2: t8585 M = 57.23
CO: t5780 M = 38.53
Hero (BTN): t1230 M = 8.20

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BTN with K 9
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t100, 2 folds, CO calls t100, Hero raises to t1230 all in

with your other post with the 2-2 hands I think you are being way to spewy in these spots with little fold equity. Looks like a leak to me that can easily be fixed by realizing these spots that aren't good to be pushing.

With no antes these aren't great

i much prefer doing both hands from the blinds.

OK w/ antes?

I don't know how much the antes change it b/c then they'd be getting better odds to call too. I'd like them a lot more if it was just 1 limper instead of 2, but still feels marginal and we aren't that desperate yet.

The 2nd limper is usually dead money in the pot.

Yea in both if these spots I could potentially take 25-30% stack increases, and when called we'll usually have reasonable enough equity against typically wide ranges, and because my usual shove range when short like this (even over limpers) is 22+,KT+,A8+ I decided to cheat a little bit w/ K9o thinking it was close enough.

I think my shove in H#2 is more +EV given the VPIPs of the limpers and the fact i have 12BB instead of 10 in my stack.

My problem with these shoves is that people are waaaaay to inclined to limp/call with medium strength hands, especially when they have decent stacks. Hands like A7-AT just seem to be snapping here lately. I think you have some FE so the play is probably breakeven-ish but I don't think it's great either.

I think hand 1 is a clear fold vs. a 20/7's utg limp.

Hand 2 is close I think. It's important to know their PFR's right? What I mean is the higher their PFR's the more FE we have vs. their limping range. PFR's of 8%+ make this a clearer shove. Let me know if I'm way off here.