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07-18-2015 , 09:58 AM

Invader

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What does it mean when chipev-rake(in price view) is much smaller then $ev?

not that big sample only few thousand games.

hope somebody can help me solve this question

thanks

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07-18-2015 , 10:30 AM

danielj

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 141

What kind of software are you using here? Maybe a screenshot would be helpful in answering your question.

Chips won only indicates how often you win tournaments. $EV uses ICM and takes into account all finishing positions, so there will be a very big difference between them because of that.

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07-18-2015 , 11:02 AM

Invader

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Rake = 0.18 per Game

Rake = 0.29 per Game

So you can see $ev has always higher value then chipev-rake. I'm playing 6max hyper turbos tournament in this graphs.

Can you help me now figure out on what it depends that it is like this?

Seems like is is in like very graph so far like this not only in this 2.

thx

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07-18-2015 , 12:02 PM

danielj

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I don't think rake has anything to do with any of the graphs. C Net adjusted $ takes ICM into account whenever there is an all-in situation. For example if two other players go all-in your $ EV goes up because another player is risking elimination.

So basically chips won only indicates how often you are finishing in 1st place, but $ EV adjusted also takes 2nd place into account (and how other players are leaking equity to you).

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07-18-2015 , 12:20 PM

Invader

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Originally Posted by danielj

I don't think rake has anything to do with any of the graphs.

C Net adjusted $ has rake already payed right? What do you mean rake has anything to do with this graphs?

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07-18-2015 , 01:13 PM

danielj

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Yes you are right about that, but I don't think it will matter when looking at how much chips won go up in relation to c net adjusted. When we are just comparing the shapes that is. I don't really look at my chips won at all.

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07-22-2015 , 09:21 AM

Max Cut

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Originally Posted by Invader

So you can see $ev has always higher value then chipev-rake.

It's not clear what you are comparing. Maybe it will help if you say the precise numbers for these examples.

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07-22-2015 , 11:39 AM

PlasticPearl

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Expected chips won shows how many total chips you would have won if you run at EV. It uses the second axis on the right (so yours is at +76,000). It's a pretty useless figure I think as obviously in STTs we don't care how many chips we've won, only how much money we've made.

C Net Adjusted ($) is how much money you'd have won if you'd run at EV, and uses the first axis on the right. So yours is +$60.

Where the chips line and the $ line sit on the graph in relation to each other means absolutely nothing as they are on different scales and have different values.

This graph has nothing to do with rake.

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