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Call shove w/ AQ with A2A flop? Call shove w/ AQ with A2A flop?

11-28-2008 , 02:11 PM
Hey guys,

I couldn't tell if I got suckered here or if it was an unlucky beat. Naive raises pretty big preflop, so AK was definitely in his range, but so was any over pair. I felt good that the guy shoving did not have the hand, because why shove when you flop a set of aces? The world is your ATM. But when Naive calls, I really had a hard time calling his shove, which I thought told me he probably had an Ace. Now we're looking at AK, AQ, AJ (maybe), or I guess possibly KK, QQ, JJ, TT. If he's shoving the high pair, he's thinking that the first guy is either totally bluffing or shoving the draw.

I'm pretty new at all of this, so I'd appreciate your letting me know if you see any problems with either my thought process or with my call. I appreciate it.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 6+0.50 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

UTG (t1425)
UTG+1 (t1470)
MP1 (t1460)
MP2 (t1410)
MP3 (t1065)
CO (t2230)
Button (t1440)
Naive (SB) (t1500)
Hero! (BB) (t1500)

Hero!'s M: 20.00

Preflop: Hero! is BB with A, Q
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, 1 fold, MP3 calls t50, 2 folds, Naive raises to t250, Hero! calls t200, MP1 calls t200, MP3 calls t200

Flop: (t1000) A, 2, A (4 players)
Naive checks, Hero! checks, MP1 bets t400, 1 fold, Naive raises to t1250 (All-In), Hero! calls t1250 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: (t3900) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3900) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t3900

Results:
Naive had K, A (three of a kind, Aces).
Hero! had A, Q (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Naive won t3900
11-28-2008 , 02:13 PM
fold preflop
11-28-2008 , 02:16 PM
I agree, you should fold preflop. AQ is not a hand you want to play to a big raise out of position. I would fold here every time.
11-28-2008 , 02:20 PM
I would fold pre flop because of the fishy 5x raise with people to act behind you don't want to draw against 99+ etc. On the flop you really don't have much of a choice in calling. He could have a weaker ace or just didn't want to let go of JJ+, its a 6.50 after all. With such low blinds you want to avoid getting in a situation like this with AQo.

Side note: in the future don't post the results of the hand in your post it can possibly bias results (after you have the responses you want you can post the outcome if you wish though)
11-28-2008 , 02:36 PM
This is a fold preflop and as played it depends on how loose Naive is.

If he's a bit of a maniac that could squeeze in that spot with something like A9+ then I'd make the call. If he's a standard TAG player or a decent reg then you're occasionally chopping when he has AQ too but the majority of the time you're gunna be up against AK.

If he had a hand like JJ, QQ or KK then I do'nt think he's gunna check that flop. He's gunna bet to get value from a diamond draw or any lower pairs that are gunna call.
11-28-2008 , 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SumnerIII
I would fold pre flop because of the fishy 5x raise with people to act behind you don't want to draw against 99+ etc. On the flop you really don't have much of a choice in calling. He could have a weaker ace or just didn't want to let go of JJ+, its a 6.50 after all. With such low blinds you want to avoid getting in a situation like this with AQo.
I just downloaded poker copilot (like PT3 for Mac) and it looks like I'm hemorrhaging with AQ, probably because of hands like these which, in general, I never would have considered folding preflop. Thanks for the advice, which I think is really good.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SumnerIII
Side note: in the future don't post the results of the hand in your post it can possibly bias results (after you have the responses you want you can post the outcome if you wish though)
Will do. Thanks for the tip. This is my first hand posted in this section, but I'll keep that in mind in the future.
11-28-2008 , 02:48 PM
you could prolby shove this if you had some sort of laggy stats of initial raiser, but w/o anythin, i just take the 2.5x raise as stronginsh since regs and more solid players make this type of raise...and fold.
11-28-2008 , 07:39 PM
fold preflop, obviously call flop as played.

Don't post bad beats.
11-28-2008 , 10:50 PM
You got suckered. Unless you have a read otherwise, after a big raise and then a check raise be very careful. There isn't an conceivable flush draw/set he could have here so you need to be able to guess if he has AK or AJ/AQ. Unless you have a read that he like raising limper light, just fold preflop at this level.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ahendo10
Hey guys,

I couldn't tell if I got suckered here or if it was an unlucky beat. Naive raises pretty big preflop, so AK was definitely in his range, but so was any over pair. I felt good that the guy shoving did not have the hand, because why shove when you flop a set of aces?
11-28-2008 , 10:57 PM
wrong forum locked
11-28-2008 , 11:03 PM
fold, he has AK.

If i flop a strong hand i always look up the results to see if i'm really ahead or will get coolered and then act accordingly.
11-29-2008 , 12:12 AM
fold pre, as played call.
11-29-2008 , 12:52 AM
No bad beat posts plz.

Obv you have to call.
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