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10-07-2013 , 07:44 PM

leetreaper

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 46

Is this standard or should i fold?
Sng 18 max 7$, exact bubble

Poker Stars, $6.45 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19840471

CO: 2,151 (5.4 bb)
BTN: 4,060 (10.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 3,429 (8.6 bb)
BB: 5,635 (14.1 bb)
MP: 11,725 (29.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T

3 folds, Hero raises to 3,404 and is all-in, BB calls 3,004

Flop: (6,933) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (6,933) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (6,933) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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10-08-2013 , 12:47 AM

hotshot0014

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 96

I think this is -ev with no stats given. Putting it into a simulator T7o vs random hand comes out about 48% vs. 52% respectively. With that being said, I think we have the fold equity to wait another round to get better odds.

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10-08-2013 , 02:54 AM

7ylerdurd3n

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,244

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Originally Posted by leetreaper

Is this standard or should i fold?
Sng 18 max 7$, exact bubble

3 folds, Hero raises to 3,404 and is all-in, BB calls 3,004

Flop: (6,933) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (6,933) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (6,933) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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I like this spot if stack sizes were switched. But i would wait for a better spot. CO is too short and your stack cannot cripple/knockout the bb

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10-08-2013 , 03:41 AM

Pronk

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 446

I agree, waiting for a better spot is a better option here.

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10-08-2013 , 09:21 AM

leetreaper

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 46

Thanks guys.

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10-08-2013 , 09:21 AM

leetreaper

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 46

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Originally Posted by 7ylerdurd3n

I like this spot if stack sizes were switched. But i would wait for a better spot. CO is too short and your stack cannot cripple/knockout the bb

I completely agree.

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10-08-2013 , 01:43 PM

TomoDaK

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,837

You should GIVE SOME INFORMATION ON THE BIG BLIND

I'm shoving and think you guys are nits. Does bb in $7 know to call us with QTs and K8o or w/e similarish hands make this a bad shove? I doubt it

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10-08-2013 , 05:32 PM

CtrlAltDel

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 426

I think im folding. I Just don't like the stack sizes and think co's m ratio is to low to risk it here.

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10-08-2013 , 09:47 PM

Monkey Banana

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Originally Posted by TomoDaK

You should GIVE SOME INFORMATION ON THE BIG BLIND

I'm shoving and think you guys are nits. Does bb in $7 know to call us with QTs and K8o or w/e similarish hands make this a bad shove? I doubt it

this

Equity vs a random hand is meaningless since we hope he doesn't call with ATC.

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10-09-2013 , 04:28 AM

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LeaksSuck

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,859

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Originally Posted by TomoDaK

You should GIVE SOME INFORMATION ON THE BIG BLIND

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Originally Posted by TomoDaK

Does bb in $7 know to call us with QTs and K8o or w/e similarish hands make this a bad shove? I doubt it

Depends on how this range is constructed. If K8o is the very bottom of some Sklansky calling-range of 22 Ax K5s K8o Q9s QJo JTs, shoving would in fact be pretty bad.

Nash-wise it's borderline, really depends on reads on BB + on other players and OP's edge.
Guess I would've folded in game against most BB and marked the hand for review.

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10-09-2013 , 06:06 AM

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Monkey Banana

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I think assuming that anyone will call you with hands like K8 or K5s without any evidence that they are capable of it is pretty bad.

I don't think edge is worth considering if you routinely pass up +EV shoves, because you probably don't have as much of one as you think.

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10-09-2013 , 08:00 AM

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LeaksSuck

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I'm not generally assuming this, just saying shoving is bad IF those are in his range and the range isn't constructed in a weird way.

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10-09-2013 , 08:43 AM

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LeaksSuck

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For the edge: I'm willing to routinely pass up small +EV spots (given I'm not sitting at the table with 4 strong regs or sth) like if I suggest he's calling something around nash, I'm folding hands as J4s, T5s, 64s, T7o, Q8o etc. though slightly +EV.
Just we are clueless about his range here and basing this on some anyone random guy doesn't mirror hero's situation. In game we have some hands on him when we're 5handed.

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10-09-2013 , 09:22 PM

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Monkey Banana

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Well, we play randos all the time so we have some expectations.

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