Hey all have a question about a hand in a$600 bounty mtt.

Ok so we have 30k at 200 bb level. Aggro Asian makes it 600 from ep, I’m to his left and make it 2k with 10-10. Saw him three bet 76cc so think he can be very wide. He calls and flop is Q83. He checks and I bet 2k into 4.1k. He calls. Turn Q. He checks and I bet 70-75% pot with intentions to check river. I wanna say I bet 5.5k? He makes it 12.5k and I call. River I have 12k behind and he open jams blank river and I fold.

I felt he could have a lot of bluffs on turn x raise so I called with intention to fold to river shine bc i feel it’s underbluffed on river. He jammed river and I folded. Do you ever fold to turn raise? He made it small like 2-2.4x my turn bet so close to a min raise. Maybe I’m supposed to exploit fold turn raise but I feel people play super straightforward on river- aka he’s never bluffing A high or KJ etc on river. Prolly spew play by me. 3! Is close bc it’s ep but I felt villian would open wide enough in spot.


Tourny was insane. Got down to 10k after starting stack of 30k and spun it up to 80k. Ended up getting 80k in with AA against AQ in mid stages and lost for a 150-160k pot at 2k bb level which was a bummer but happens. I open AA to a min to 4k, bb is a fishy rec makes it 11k, I click to 20k and he rips 78k lol. I snap and just get a bad runout of all spades on flop and river is a spade so we lose. Haha tough result but that’s poker! We will take AA Vs AQ for a chunky stack all day in mid stages.

Sounds like a fun tournament. I like the 3-bet with TT but don't think we're strong enough to go for 3 streets here, especially in a 3 bet pot. We lose to any Q, higher pairs, and 88. We are targeting specifically 99, which beats only bluffs. So I would check back turn and avoid the sick spots you ended up in. Checking back turn against an aggro player sets up an opportunity for him to bluff. If he takes the bait I would then call unless the river is exactly an A or K. I've had success with this many times with TT specifically. It's nice because usually villain will use a large sizing and we can win a nicely sized pot without being the aggressor or ever giving him the chance to raise.

AP it's tough. Assuming this guy knows what he's doing, which it sounds like he does, we might have to fold turn since he will nearly always bet river. Most aggros don't fire once then immediately give up.

Yea I agree maybe checking the turn is great bc we can call river bet and keep bluffs in. The turn x raise- I felt we would be overfolding bc we obv don’t have a Q here a high % of time so I feel a good bluff card. I felt villian is never ripping river without a boat or Qx. I feel he shuts down bc I have the nuts calling turn.

I do agree prolly better to check turn. I feel I was never going for 3 streets here- just going for 2 and shutting down on river.

Sure, folding turn is hard because he is aggressive and the odds are compelling. It's just hard to figure out what he's bluffing with. You block his gutshots (T9/JT). Was there a BDFD? Even for an aggro raising into a 3 bet followed by 2 streets of betting with air is kinda insane.

As you describe V and ap, I am more likely to 3 bet shove the turn rather than just call his raise. The only justification for calling his turn raise is you don't put him on a queen. Therefore, I would put him in the blender, make him think I possibly have trip qs and take away his river bluff.

Otherwise as already discussed, I check turn and call river on blank.

Your postflop bet sizing seems pretty large to me. I also think your flop bet sizing is going to clear out all the lighter floats here so I'm not sure what you accomplish going so big on the turn. After you bet that big twice and still get check-raised, you're boned.

+1 for check back turn. We can call a variety of river leads, value bet, or check back. This is the value of position 101 imo. Btw if your turn bet is for value why is it so large? What is calling that bet that you beat? Quite ambitious.

Kinda wanted to set up an easy river check- I feel a good player can bet river for 150-200% pot on river if I check and make my life miserable with a nutty/ bluff range on river.

Yea looking back I want to check turn. The way he acted, he wanted the bounty so I feel he had AQ or kq honestly. I thought villian would shut down river with no Qx no question bc my call on turn looks super nutty if he doesn’t have it. Prolly should exploit fold turn maybe tho

I do like betting the flop and turn albeit smaller sizing - this is really a two street value hand at best and your range is the widest on the flop and turn. I think once he raises the turn you have two options - call the raise and call the river jam, or fold. The problem with calling the raise and river jam is your range is uncapped and yet he's still betting aggressively into you. He would have to be turning something like 66 into a bluff, or JTs/T9s/etc but of course you block a lot of those combos.

To those saying check the turn - your hand is faceup when you bet the flop, check the turn, and then vbet the river. It's obvious you have TT+ but not Qx+ so unless he's braindead I don't like it. The one thing you could do is bet the river smaller to induce a bluff raise to snap off if he's aggro enough.

You made a point to note how aggressive this player is. Let’s check back turn and snap call basically every river bet. Let him be aggressive while leveraging our positional advantage. If he checks river again we have a clear value bet.

Edit* I’m not experienced in bounty play so not considering that.

What will he call the turn with that we beat besides exactly 99?

So do you only bet the flop and check down the rest of the way?

You may be able to value bet the river if he checks again. But betting the turn, especially this large, carries the threat of an even larger river bet behind it, and suggests a hand that may want three streets of value. Those two factors are going to significantly tighten up villain's turn calling range vs. his river calling range on a bet/check/bet line.

b/c/b lines on boards like this are severely underbluffed - I would see more of an argument to betting the flop and checking turn/river. A cool line if we did b/c/b would be to bet the river small either for value or inducing a raise from more aggro villains - I don't hate that as much.

I am only advocating this line because villain is said to be aggressive. If he was said to be very tight, I would probably bet only one street for value, and if he was said to be stationy, I would bet all 3 streets small for value.

That said I like the strategy of betting small on non-horrible rivers so as to induce a bluff.

The only issue I see with the above is a small bet to induce a raise puts you in the same river spot - calling the shove or not.

I got a free day on 1/13 probably gonna play that $800 they're running and when I lose go play some $5/10. You gonna compete in that one JK?

Hey eggs, nah I’m leaving we’d. I bagged 1.2 mill in the almighty after running godly on 2nd bullet. Got AQ to call a 40bb shove when I had AK. Win AK Vs Qq late on day 1 for 60bb and another few solid spots. Sun run! Need sun run on day 2

If you're doing it to induce bluffs, then you're calling.

You'd have to use it in a spot where you know villain will raise at a very high frequency bluff so you can have an easy call to snap off.

Without the turn $ if it was checked, I agree there is not enough for him to bluff shove his stack in the river if Hero makes a small inducing bet. I was incorrectly thinking there was 10k more in the pot.

Pure check-back turn

Can delay river 1/2 pot when V never folds 99, 77, 66 etc ("I think you have exactly AK!"). 98s, 87s, A8s will find their way in there too from V as described.

Brain-dead is a bit harsh but exploitable is a good epithet. Delaying river is an exploit

And the same issue of getting not much/nothing worse to call is just as much in play on turn than river. You're not being consistent if you think he'll station small on turn (which is clearly an exploitable sizing with him having so much JJ-; why would IP's AA KK Qx ever use a small sizing?) but fold all the time on river

Face up?

AA, KK, QQ, KQ-/QJ-, AK all in there for IP--plenty to create exotic probing strats for OOP

-huge sizing with Qx and AK; small sizings; god luck snapping 100% of AA or KK when he pumps 35bb into the pot

-Small sizings with KK, trapping QQ

-Something in between with AA

-Something teeny-tiny (1/8th -1/6th pot) with JJ

-No reason to always barrel every Qx since OOP can have QQ, 66, AQ and IP's Qx are not always getting to showdown and need no protection; we should draw out probes from AA and KK plenty often