Yeah I just got back online from a 10 day trip and I will definitely be bringing this up in the Stars player meeting. It's one of the main reasons I could be arsed to even run for the election. I'm super tired and sick right now but if you want you can read a bit about what I have to say here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...83&postcount=5 it's the paragraph starting "why I'm not a PokerStars fanboy".
As mement pointed out I know quite a bit about this, I was not the one who did most of the investigative work regarding the Romanian accounts scheme but I know quite a bit about it and was the first person to bring it up (it's in some mttc thread from 1+ years ago, can't remember which one atm) and I have access to the list of names / accounts.
I'm also aware of another ring / vpn service that is currently in operation, they are based in BC Canada (their VPN is), and it's a guy who won a big WSOP event last year who's running it, I don't know how many horses he has but I hope they will get caught through money transfers etc. He is basically running a large stable with new accounts and reliable VPN aka he's staking to ghost / ma etc and offering US regs a chance to play from the States as long as they play for him. Stars has shown zero interest in this so far.
There's a ton of other stuff too I'm aware of and have witnessed first hand, for example remote controling (I've witnessed a guy deep in majors playing from the States with the computer being in Mexico / Canada, pretty funny to see a guy get a 40k score not even sitting on the computer himself). I know of people who have multiple accounts on FTP and they have their permission for it. This probably happens on Stars too.
I have been thinking about outing people for quite a long time, but Stars showed zero interest when I told them about it and I just kinda gave up. Then other people did the detective work and apparently got some accounts banned. The money Stars has kept themselves to my knowledge even that this is at least prob like 500k they have won from other players and thus it should be distributed back into the community imo.
Anyway, the reason why I haven't directly outed people so far is that I have mixed feelings about it. I'd snap out anyone who I knew to be multiaccounting or playing under a new account, but for example I know of cases where people are playing with their known, old sn through VPNs / remote controling and they CAN'T leave the States for various reasons. They are not being lazy ****s who can't be arsed to relocate, they had their job taken away by joke us goverment and can't do anything about it, it's often a choice between leave family or do remote controling, etc. I do not want to be the guy ****ing these people's lives up, and I know this will piss some people off and they think that these people should be snap outed because it's eating their profits directly, but guess what **** I should not be in this situation anyway?! How about the joke that calls itself POKERSTARS SECURITY does their work for once so that no one has to snitch anyone (often friends)??
And I know of at least ~20 people who know about the same things that I do, and they have also elected to do nothing, so it's not like I'm the only one not spilling all the beans. I have not yet decided what I'm going to say in the Stars meeting about the accounts involved, but anyway key point should be to get Stars to tighten their security and handle the problems themselves (so it wouldn't happen more etc) not outing these precise people. I will definitely out the people I know who are running services, like the guy in BC who gives a lappy with brand new Stars account and stakes them with his VPN service, but I don't think I will out single people or accounts.
I don't know if any of the above made sense, I have fever, I have my lungs full of tear gas after an incident in Kyrgyzstan last night, I've just travelled like 15 hours and haven't slept in 40 hours+ so I'm going to pass out.
Anyway I'll be partaking in this conversation as much as I can, if anyone has any extra info about anything mentioned in this thread please do pm me, if you want to share precise names or account names and don't want me to spill the beans on them you can 100% trust me to not share them with anyone including Stars. Like I said they key point here IMO should be to make sure this doesn't happen in the future and reduce the amount of **** going on right now, not witch hunt certain people. We got 3 weeks to come up with what we want to say as a community, this post and the one I linked is my personal opinion which I probably will be forcing through quite a bit but I'd really like to hear input from the posters here (especially as most of them are both smarter and have been around for longer than me).
Also I have a lot to say about how Stars handles their security leaks (just brushing everything under the carpet), you can read my key points about it in the above paragraph. And just in case some dolt got this wrong, I personally have never VPNd, multiaccounted, or done anything similar. I only know about all this stuff basically because I've been traveling so much and living in different poker communities, playing live tourneys with so many 2+2ers over the last 5 years, in other words networking. I haven't even really actively sought for any information, it's just that this stuff happens a LOT, like 10000x more than people realize, and even if a random ****ty midstakes reg from Finland can hear about this with people bringing it up when he's procrastinating on the computer jerking off to college porn, how much do you think the people who are REALLY connected know? I bet something like 10% of HS regs have broken stars T&C in the past couple of years.
edit: also, I'm not trying to make it look like I'm some saint / poker world police, I really don't even care anywhere near as much as many of the posters in this thread, but I will be doing my absolute best to get something out of the meetings.
double edit: Mickey, we should try to schedule a skype chat in the near future. Also kleath, I'm not sure how much of that long post of yours was serious and I know you're not exactly a Chuck Basss fanboy, but please feel free to pm me any information you have. And same goes for everyone else. I know I'm a pretty controversial poster and often post the most idiotic **** here ("rather be a losing lag...") but I have everyone's interests in mind and will be doing my absolute best with the meetings here.
Last edited by Chuck Bass; 10-06-2013 at 03:50 PM.