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10-22-2013 , 12:02 PM
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Few hands in the tournament, no reads. UTG+1 supernova, MP1 random.



Something I ve been working on, how to maximize value early in similar spots. c/c flop seems loosing a lot of value, though not sure if c/r gii is profitable, though think good regs would play cautiously early with JJ+.
My sizing I think must be bigger here too. Cause very often I m gettin only 2 streets of value here.
Any comment on this line appreciated.

    Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20131411

    BB: 3,040 (76 bb)
    UTG+1: 3,045 (76.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 4,018 (100.5 bb)
    MP1: 3,490 (87.3 bb)
    MP2: 7,930 (198.3 bb)
    MP3: 2,580 (64.5 bb)
    CO: 2,665 (66.6 bb)
    BTN: 2,940 (73.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): 2,870 (71.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
    UTG+1 raises to 100, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 100, 4 folds, Hero calls 80, BB folds

    Flop: (340) 5 2 2 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 140, MP1 folds, Hero raises to 370, UTG+1 calls 230

    Turn: (1,080) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets 520, UTG+1 calls 520

    River: (2,120) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets 1,880 and is all-in, UTG+1 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 2,120 pot
    Final Board: 5 2 2 2 6
    UTG+1 mucked and lost (-990 net)
    Hero mucked Q Q and won 2,120 (1,130 net)



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    10-22-2013 , 12:08 PM
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    I like it, nh.
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    10-22-2013 , 12:35 PM
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    Nh.

    To be nitpicky, I would make the turn sizing a little big bigger to set up a 3/4 pot-sized shove on the river.
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    10-22-2013 , 01:39 PM
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    im not sure if i like a bigger turn bet, i think i'd go smaller like 400 and then maybe like 800 otr idk

    but i do agree the river shove is just too big
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    10-23-2013 , 12:17 AM
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    i like this line vs fish. against regs id rather c/c all streets
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    10-23-2013 , 12:45 AM
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    AS PLAYED pre i d like to donkbet
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    10-23-2013 , 12:59 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shichibukai
    AS PLAYED pre i d like to donkbet
    what else would you lead?

    lets c/c now, what else.....
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    10-23-2013 , 01:10 AM
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    pair,full ,a4s a3s a2s 34
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    10-23-2013 , 01:42 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shichibukai
    pair,full ,a4s a3s a2s 34
    why would you lead such nicely balanced range?

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    10-23-2013 , 01:57 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz
    why would you lead such nicely balanced range?

    notsureifserious.jpg // facepalm.jpg -- choose!
    i like to have the donkbet option 3ways
    qq seems a pretty hanf to put in my range
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    10-23-2013 , 03:31 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kapitonas
    Few hands in the tournament, no reads. UTG+1 supernova, MP1 random.



    Something I ve been working on, how to maximize value early in similar spots. c/c flop seems loosing a lot of value, though not sure if c/r gii is profitable, though think good regs would play cautiously early with JJ+.
    My sizing I think must be bigger here too. Cause very often I m gettin only 2 streets of value here.
    Any comment on this line appreciated.

      Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20131411

      BB: 3,040 (76 bb)
      UTG+1: 3,045 (76.1 bb)
      UTG+2: 4,018 (100.5 bb)
      MP1: 3,490 (87.3 bb)
      MP2: 7,930 (198.3 bb)
      MP3: 2,580 (64.5 bb)
      CO: 2,665 (66.6 bb)
      BTN: 2,940 (73.5 bb)
      Hero (SB): 2,870 (71.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
      UTG+1 raises to 100, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 100, 4 folds, Hero calls 80, BB folds

      Flop: (340) 5 2 2 (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 140, MP1 folds, Hero raises to 370, UTG+1 calls 230

      Turn: (1,080) 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets 520, UTG+1 calls 520

      River: (2,120) 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets 1,880 and is all-in, UTG+1 folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: 2,120 pot
      Final Board: 5 2 2 2 6
      UTG+1 mucked and lost (-990 net)
      Hero mucked Q Q and won 2,120 (1,130 net)



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      well played, thoughts on pre 3-b? As played, our hand is super underrepresented to we get great value here from a lot worse.
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      10-23-2013 , 08:23 AM
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      Nh

      666 turn
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      10-23-2013 , 08:45 AM
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      nh.
      raise size on the flop looks pretty nutty tho. Doubt he's folding his pairs anyway so I would go a bit bigger. maybe 400. Good board and spot here for you especially looking so underrepped. Think ahead and try set up sizing on turn so the river shove isnt so big.
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      10-23-2013 , 10:03 AM
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      squeeze pre...
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      10-23-2013 , 10:08 AM
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      Squeeze/call ? ^
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      10-23-2013 , 10:12 AM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz
      why would you lead such nicely balanced range?

      notsureifserious.jpg // facepalm.jpg -- choose!
      Wash..clearly not a nicely balanced range without quad deuces.....
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      10-23-2013 , 10:32 AM
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      Quote:
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      Wash..clearly not a nicely balanced range without quad deuces.....
      dorky poker humor..sorry everyone.
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      10-23-2013 , 10:32 AM
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      at least everyone is solid itt.
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      10-23-2013 , 02:40 PM
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      Idk, i probably try to iso-3b the MP caller depending on the table, but its probably 50/50 as to what I do pre, 3b or call, if theres a second caller snap 3b though.

      As far as flop play, w/ no FD and a hand that doesn't spike many bad turn cards I probably c/c because im not good apparently (but I just dont see you getting multiple streets after building a pot on the flop from worse), then I lead alot of turn cards just over half pot on turn and go big on river providing the right board...it leaves your hand underrepresented enough to get value against a villain who isnt aware you'll CR that flop as a bluff...time to rip my analysis a new one MSMTT forum
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      10-23-2013 , 06:08 PM
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      Against weak opponents this is great, against a reg i'd just c/c all streets but played it well apart from I bet around 1.2k on the river.
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