gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em

Cmon ppl.. isnt bashing betgo for 9 pages enough?

He charges $50/hour for coaching which will always help ppl who are beginning with poker and want a quick stars (learning about terms like ranges, EV, potodds etc).
I assume HS players are not going to BETGO for coaching. But beginners might and he can learn them some useful stuff they can build upon.

2+2 allows people to pay for offering coaching regardless how good/bad they are and the people can charge as much as they want.

stealthmunk is a v.good poster and brings good value to this forum but his attitude is bad and very disrespectful.

Betgo should just realize he isn't as good as he thinks he is, that hurts his ego and thats what hes trying to defend. Maybe he should take some lessons with someone he believes to be good or ask around and invest some money so he can make some adjustments and actually improve his game.

Further, Betgo!. just stop looking/posting in this thread and stop giving it new spirit..

Besides all of this I think 2+2 is absolutely horrible into allowing these type of threads when someone is paying a fee for offering a service on your website.... But that is probably said before I assume.

I agree a lot with your previous post but I think this post isn't true at all.
Anyone, independent of qualification or skill, is allowed to put up a coaching listing.
The forum behind this is allowed and, the most important bit, encouraged to state their opinion about a certain topic such as coaching as long as it doesn't go as far as insulting an individual for his/her past endeavors and results.
This results in everyone being able to state their free and independent opinion on whatever they like, such as Stealthmunk did.

The moment this forum bans or penalizes posters for bringing up their own and personalized opinion we're not a forum anymore and are just one step step apart from turning this message board into a capitalistic medium for advertising.

I was not sure if I should reply again. I think I really screwed things up by not listening to people earlier saying to stop posting here. Think I have some ego problems that I continued. I also made a lot of mistakes in the interaction with Stealthmunk and by replying too much.

I have no problem with criticism and discussion, but some of it went over the top. I have discussed that previously and will not repeat it.

I don't coach that much and wasn't really that aware of the coaching listing message. Guess it made it look to some people like I was pretending to be an expert here.

You can go through a HH of a low stakes grinder, wannabe grinder, or casual player and find a zillion misplayed hands and leaks. It is really a stretch to go from I am not a good poster in this forum to I am a fraud or incompetent coach. I am not good at BS, which is partly why I don't charge that much for my coaching. Very bad reads by some.

So in summation, not only do you ruin threads with your worthless posts, you made it so a guy who's one post is more valueable than everything you've ever written can't post here anymore.

Noone was ever as detrimental to the value of this forum as you are.

Newbies will continue to be conned out of tens of thousands of dollars every year, nothing changes here, only the community doesn't get FREE, high-level advice from stealthmunk anymore.

Well then you aren't a forum any more because there is no tolerance of views other than stealthmunk's. In the hand being discussed betgo gave sound advice and stealthmunk gave duff advice. It was a standard sit and go situation where the button raises quite lightly the sb shoves quite light as he has the button covered by 600k and the button folds to most sb shoves but not with a hand like TT. That's precisely what betgo said. Stealthmunk said the button should be tight, the sb should be tight and the button should fold TT. That's poor play all round. His reason for this advice was that the hand was played in 2004 but he was given the answer to that in post #4.

StefanoDiMera

"I remember this hand generated alot of commentary back in the day. For added perspective (or humblebrag), i played 3-handed in a Borgata tourney with Paul Phillips with similar payout structure (64/32/16k) a few months prior. He played extremely aggressively preflop, raising every time it was folded to him and reraising fairly often. He also showed a willingness to get all-in relatively light/take risks leading up to shorthanded play. So saying all that, i think his shoving range might be slightly lighter than you're assuming, probably making it a call for Gus (w/o doing the fancy ICM math)."

That should have been the end of the thread.

+1,000,000

Oh i see, the free high level advice has a charge to it after all. Only forum members approved by the stealthmunk clan may continue to participate. This is the exact kind of crap that tears down forums and sours new participation.

If you love this forum so much, start a truce on hate.

I used to work very closely with some sport magazines and ppl who advertise get reviews. PPL who don't advertise almost never get reviews. PPL who advertise never get a negative review in a commercial magazine. If there product sucks, the review will be modest, not bashing the product.

The fact that 2+2 let's this negative energy/bashing topic going on is (imo) still ridic. and doesn't bring anything good to the community of poker.

Betgo is being judged and expected to be at a level of HS players but is selling low stake coaching..... I agree that Betgo is far from a HS player but because he's a lowstake coach doesn't mean he can't post in the HS community and try to learn something himself. Him being someone who might beat midstake's can still have the motivation to try and post with the top MTT players who are posting here and hoping he's improving and learning new concepts besides the NEY YORK BACKRAISE (love this one )
That he's getting berated for who he is because he's posting in HS but selling low stake coaching are two total different things and have nothing to do with each-other.. Him being called a fraud is 1) ****ing up his business and for what reason would we (esp. stealthmunk) have any interest in this? and 2) Not a fair judgement because HS and low stake are worlds appart.. Coaching in one and posting in another are not relevant.

My parents play poker for fun. My dad plays play money and my mum plays $1 sng's ... They both still dont raise BTNs but keep limping. Feels better for them, no matter what im telling them. I'm sure betgo can learn them improve to beating low stakes and make some profit...
This is what he's promoting and selling....

No it isn't what he is selling.

Not that I care to the effect munk did but betgo without a doubt misrepresents himself (and before you correct me betgo, which you can't because I'm correct, you said you wouldn't in HSMTT).

This place is a lot worse off and a lot less entertaining without munks rants/attacks/but most importantly advice.

Not that (m)any people care but I'm oi discussing HSMTT in a forum where betgo is allowed and encouraged to post, but munk is banned.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather learn something every once in a while!

(rant obv not directed at rh)

agree with this. Also not saying betgo should give advice. Since he's far below the required level to give some useful information.
But he can join discussions and ask (good?) questions. He can learn from a lot of people (like everyone obviously) and not taking this possibility because you are afraid to look stupid is more stupid then posting bad questions.

the reason SM cant post here anymore is his own fault - how do you not get that?

Friends have told me not to respond further, but I was a little upset over the posts implying my coaching was only valuable for amateur players and so on. I have specific expertise, particularly in preflop and short stack issues.

Right before BF, I had the highest ROI in $16/18s and maybe also in $12/180s. Think this is maybe reasonable qualifications to place a coaching listing. From days when I was running bad and screwing around, I had a 70% ROI in 2/180s and an 80% ROI in 4/180 normal speeds right before BF. I know that isn't impressive here. However, I have students actually want to grind those games. There are regulars in them these days. Maybe I couldn't do 70% ROI now, but would be a reasonable coach for someone wanting to play them.

Poster refers to me and Cwob, who is an MTTSNG player regular and a former student of mine.

As far at the Gus Hansen hand I guess Stealthmunk was trying to set me up with, it is absolutely paralell to a 9-player STT problem with identical payout jumps. If you posted it in the STT forum everyone would say r/c, but maybe open smaller these days. As Cwob explained, you have to assume that an aggressive SB would be on a light range, as you can call with practically nothing. However, TT is strong enough to call with. Possible to
limp or overshove, but it is an easy r/c versus either player. I actually know what I am talking about with this sort of thing.

This is a quote from MSMTT today.
I think my posts are pretty well respected in the other MTT and SNG forums. I obviously made mistakes posting too much here. A lot of time I was asking questions about high stakes plays I didn't understand or answering nube OPs. I thought I had some expertise on short stack issues as indicated by my MTTSNG results, so may have posted on those. I guess the "coaching listing" message comes up, and it looks like I am presenting myself as an expert in HSMTT, and obviously I am not, and am not a particularly good poster in this forum. I have been part of this forum for so long, and was probably
acting too much like I belonged here. My MTTSNG results show I have expertise in preflop and short stack issues, and I used to be somewhat respected for my posts on those areas here.

If I was a fraud and charlatan as a coach as has been alledged, then I would not expose my incompetence by posting in HSMTT. I was confident in my skills and not particularly concerned about my coaching business, which lead me to make the mistake of continuing to post here.

I have a zillion videos on different sites. Little if any criticism has been posted of my videos on the video sites. Most of them are HH review vidoes, which should give some idea of my coaching. They are better than most others available on similar topics. I also had nothing negative in my 10 pages coaching listing until Stealthmunk posted there.
Perhaps my stduents are all deluded, and Stealthmunk knows better.

Most other posters would have been banned a lot quicker for what he did. Also, because of his reputation, people gave some credence to his claims, believing I am a bad coach, a professional coach or whatever.

Stealthmunk posted in my coaching listing, made false accusations that I had solicited a favorable review from a student, and posted excerpts from a bad article claiming it was my article when it wasn't, and so on. It was harassment and defamation, not just opinion. Not sure exactly what he got banned for, but it was originally a one week ban. I am fine with his coming back to post on strategy.

betgo just ****ing STOP! You make yourself look worse and worse each time you post and you have to respond to every ****ing post, even before this spat with munk you respond to every single post wether you have anything to add or not, just posting mindless drivel to see yourself type. Yeah ok, munk was being a dick, we get it, you parroting back the same thing over and over again talking about how well respected you think you are or talking about 400% roi's in 25 cent sngs doesnt help your case at all though, Im pretty sure if you just shut the **** up in the first place you wouldve got alot more support but you ruin it with every response. I have read essentially the same post from you 5+ times on this matter repeating the same doltitribe over and over and over, JUST STOP RESPONDING TO EVERY SINGLE THING, its not that hard. If i was a future predicting man I'd expect you to respond seriously to this with like 9 paragraphs talking about how respected you are at yahtzee theory or something, then someone will be like +1 or lol to what im writing right now then you're going to respond to him with 2 paragraphs about what johnny hughes told you at the nugget in 96. Then someones gonna say lol betgo and then you're gonna post the exact same thing you just posted with a few alterations. I dont even care if you post in hsmtt but its not your livejournal, not every fleeting thought needs to be recorded for posterity.

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

hey betgo

how have you been lately?

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

Yeh, I agree I was pretty stupid posting so much here. Will try to make this the last post.

wow betgo.. seriously.. stop posting. ill join the betgo is an idiot camp if you dont..

I am pretty indifferent towards betgo except for the guy's quite annoying knack for derailing threads with his drivel.

The real question here is: When is Munk going to be back?

Kleath for Prez

no one.. NO ONE cares!! t1lt!!!!!

and +1 u've said like ten million times that you're sorry for posting in hsmtt, that you won't post anymore/post less/last post blah blah but keep posting more.. stop.. if you post zero times in hsmtt next year i will wire u $10

I've looked at some of the threads on here. Some of the regular contributors seem to contradict each other wildly and there is much poor advice given out. I don't see how one more view makes much difference. This is supposed to be an open forum afaics.