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11-07-2013 , 04:01 PM
Was this bad play on my part or bad luck? (or both)

$50 sng 10 original players
I was card dead all night and survived stealing blinds and bluffing but was barely surviving.
Player to left was on fire and played a lot of flops.
Tourny paid 3rd $50, 2nd $175, 1st $275.
With 5 people left, blinds 1500/3000 I triple+ up to 40,000.
Now 4 handed and next hand after my triple up:
CU has about 10,000 and folds
Button has about 6,000 and folds
Me in SB has 40,000 and have pocket 5's, I raise to 6,000
BB has about 145,000 and calls.
Flop is 2,5,10 rainbow. I flop trips. I check to entice a bet, BB checks
Turn is 4. I bet 8,000, BB quickly goes all-in, I snap call.
While I am saying "Trip 5's" and flipping my cards, he is saying "straight" and flipping his.


In retrospect I could have folded to $175 2nd place. The big stack had eliminated 5 people already and was comfortable doing the heavy lifting.
Bad luck or bad play? Don't hold back, that won't help me.
Thanks!
The DukeVA

Last edited by Regret$; 11-07-2013 at 04:03 PM. Reason: removed results
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11-07-2013 , 04:09 PM
I removed the results. Please read the forum faq for posting guidelines.

The stack setup is very sick. Since you have more than 12bb, I thin, it is ok to raise and hope to take the pot down. If you have been very tight then sometimes our reputation can take the pot down, and if you are considering not raising with 55 then your probably not raising very much.

I'm not folding a set heads up on a board we are very very unlikely to be beat on, and he is way more likely to have a T than anything else.

Please don't cry about getting sucked out on. It is called being 'results oriented.' Not sure where to point you to learn some more basics.. Maybe you should read 'No Limit Hold 'em: Theory and Practice' it explains a lot of the basic theory about the game. You need to understand the basics or none of the rest will make any sense. GL
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11-07-2013 , 04:49 PM
You don't him to flat your raise out of position here with 55...go allin preflop

Folding to his shove now would be TERRIBLE. Come on man....he has so many other hands besides 63..and him having 63 indicates he can have a huge range pre
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11-07-2013 , 05:13 PM
So Tomo, 4 handed and flopping trips on that board, in that position, against his stack and aggression, slow playing the the 5's turned out bad but would you say wasn't a mistake strategically? Sorry confusing sentence. Was it bad to slow play the trips on the flop?
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11-07-2013 , 05:26 PM
Not at all I mean the flop is T25 rainbow he can't have anything and if he has a ten he's going to bet it anyway to protect/get value, if the guy is always going to call Ax and float his big cards always to a tiny bet I think I would prefer that but nothing wrong with slow playing. I would even bet a bit smaller on the turn as there's really not much he can have
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11-07-2013 , 05:29 PM
BBV is thataway.

and seems like a standard jam pre.
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11-07-2013 , 05:35 PM
Got it....just a bead beat and I should move on. Honestly I was hoping that their was a glaring mistake that I could have learned from. Other than get better...
Fair enough
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11-07-2013 , 08:48 PM
Not jamming pre is a pretty glaring mistake imo but the fact you included the results of being 4 outed and included a lot of other non pertinent info made this seem like you wanted to vent. Youre new so I should be less harsh but stuff like the results and
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In retrospect I could have folded to $175 2nd place.
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I was card dead all night and survived stealing blinds and bluffing but was barely surviving.
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Player to left was on fire
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With 5 people left, blinds 1500/3000 I triple+ up to 40,000.
just isnt pertinent info and detracts from the discussion.

Stacks, payouts, reads on other players and your table image is all the info that's relevant.

Curious, if he rejams pre are you calling?

You seem like a good sport so you can prob take a little harshness
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11-08-2013 , 04:50 AM
Nice payout-structure to test if one's intuition for ICM stands changes ^^
Shove or fold pre. I'm leaning towards fold against the opp you describe, cause my guess is he's a least calling 88/AJ, probably more like 66/AT or maybe looser, based on this statement:

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Originally Posted by TheDukeVA
The big stack had eliminated 5 people already and was comfortable doing the heavy lifting.

Never minraising pre against the guy here.
Playing 55 oop with 2nd stack against an aggro bigstack with two shorties around on a bubble is probably one of the least desirable flop-situations I can imagine. Is there any board where you don't hit a set he can't (and probably will) bluff you off if he wants? I suggest no if you even think about folding a set

Last edited by LeaksSuck; 11-08-2013 at 04:59 AM.
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11-10-2013 , 02:37 PM
jam pre
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11-14-2013 , 01:01 AM
Shove preflop or fold preflop. you are leaning toward being in the money seeing how CO and button are low stacked. Probably a better time to fold rather than risk elimination in my opinion
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11-14-2013 , 09:10 PM
With 55/35/10 structure Wizard suggest folding when he starts calling 88 or AJ, AT KQs.
And it quickly becomes wors -0.7 when he calls 10%.

When BB is on 99+, AJs+, AQ+ range it is barely +ev, 0.06. His stack suggests much looser calling range imo.
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11-15-2013 , 08:36 AM
It is unlucky but as others have said: Shove (or fold) preflop.

Also I haven't seen anyone say but bet the flop! He'll call with all sorts or things and if he has Tx or a pair then you likely double up.
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