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Is this always a Jam pre?and always a check on such a dry flop? Is this always a Jam pre?and always a check on such a dry flop?
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01-24-2022 , 03:22 PM
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    Pacific Poker - 250/500 Ante 60 NL - Holdem - 8 players
    Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

    BB: 11,387 (22.8 bb)
    UTG: 8,590 (17.2 bb)
    UTG+1: 3,960 (7.9 bb)
    MP: 11,155 (22.3 bb)
    MP+1: 8,255 (16.5 bb)
    CO: 3,800 (7.6 bb)
    BTN: 3,656 (7.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): 25,625 (51.3 bb)

    8 players post ante of 60, Hero posts SB 250, BB posts 500

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1,230) Hero has K K
    2 folds, MP raises to 1,000, 3 folds, Hero raises to 2,799, fold, MP calls 1,799

    Flop: (6,578, 2 players) K 7 2
    Hero checks, MP checks

    Turn: (6,578, 2 players) J
    Hero bets 2,789, MP raises to 8,296 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,507

    River: (23,170, 2 players) Q

    Results: 23,170 pot (0 rake)
    Final Board: K 7 2 J Q

    MP shows Q J: (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
    (Pre 14%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)

    Hero shows K K: (Three of a Kind, Kings)
    (Pre 86%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)

    Hero wins 23,170
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    01-24-2022 , 04:19 PM
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    I like the standard 3b pre but I would go a bit larger. Don't make it easy for him to call cheap and see a flop. A larger 3b can entice a shove and creates a smaller SPR if he calls.

    Flop check is good.
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    01-24-2022 , 09:52 PM
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    Quote:
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    I like the standard 3b pre but I would go a bit larger. Don't make it easy for him to call cheap and see a flop. A larger 3b can entice a shove and creates a smaller SPR if he calls.

    Flop check is good.
    Villain only has 20bb, size seems fine mostly but bigger isn't bad. I wouldn't go more than 6.5-7bb tho. You don't want a smaller SPR with a hand like this. You'd want less SPR with like AKo instead.
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    01-25-2022 , 06:11 AM
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    I might 3-bet a little larger being OOP (even 6bb is fine given villain's stack) and bet a little smaller on the turn, but all in all looks well played.
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    01-25-2022 , 02:45 PM
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    Quote:
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    Villain only has 20bb, size seems fine mostly but bigger isn't bad. I wouldn't go more than 6.5-7bb tho. You don't want a smaller SPR with a hand like this. You'd want less SPR with like AKo instead.
    I want to create a smaller SPR so villain is more willing to commit on the flop with a wider range. Larger SPR gives him room to escape. Granted we're only 22bb effective here, but still.
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    01-26-2022 , 03:39 AM
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    We’re at 22bb effective and 5.5bb (or allin) is just fine. I’d go to 6.5bb if MP was a bit deeper at around 26bb and kick into 7bb from around 30bb.

    Preflop nh
    Postflop nh
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    02-06-2022 , 06:21 PM
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    You only 3bet from sb this size with KK/AA I'm sure, so it's pretty face up. Add another 1bb to it and it's more multipurpose
    Flop you are going to bet ALL your bluffs on so I think a rly small size bet here is good. I don't think you will induce bluffs by checking and if he has something like a small - mid pair or any bd fd etc he will call now or check back so you may as well bet
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    02-07-2022 , 09:16 PM
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    Quote:
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    You only 3bet from sb this size with KK/AA I'm sure, so it's pretty face up. Add another 1bb to it and it's more multipurpose
    Flop you are going to bet ALL your bluffs on so I think a rly small size bet here is good. I don't think you will induce bluffs by checking and if he has something like a small - mid pair or any bd fd etc he will call now or check back so you may as well bet
    This. 3bet the size you 3bet your whole range with.
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    02-11-2022 , 10:52 AM
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    I'd have been super suspicious of your flop check. I guess hands like QQ/JJ want to check there at some frequency, but Villain blocks those. His turn jam looks goofy, as well. What were the stakes here?
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    02-11-2022 , 03:34 PM
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    I dont have a 3bet/fold range a 22bb so I am just shoving, but if you balance with some trash Ax its fine.


    I prefer a small cbet with my entire range on this flop. Then depending on the turn card and villain, you can decide if you want to check or jam.
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