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Old 11-26-2006, 05:04 PM   #76
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Re: Almost there with Success and Failure (Long)

microbet, that thread is awesome. great read.
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Old 11-26-2006, 06:00 PM   #77
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microbet, that thread is awesome. great read.
One of the funniest threads Ive ever read
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:41 AM   #78
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Old 02-11-2007, 01:58 AM   #79
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I'm glad this was bumped because somehow I missed it the first go around. Very inspiring. Thanks!
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:33 AM   #80
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I'm glad this was bumped because somehow I missed it the first go around. Very inspiring. Thanks!
if u missed it the first time, u missed it the other 451379251 times.
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Old 03-20-2007, 12:27 PM   #81
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The EASIEST way to avoid stupid players catching hands is to play out of a REAL deck of cards -- not from those supposedly "random" decks you get on "poker" sites like JokerStars and Full Tilt River. Sites such as these HAVE to help the idiots, otherwise when all the donkeys lost all their money and quit playing, the sites like FTR would go broke.
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Old 03-20-2007, 01:04 PM   #82
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The EASIEST way to avoid stupid players catching hands is to play out of a REAL deck of cards -- not from those supposedly "random" decks you get on "poker" sites like JokerStars and Full Tilt River. Sites such as these HAVE to help the idiots, otherwise when all the donkeys lost all their money and quit playing, the sites like FTR would go broke.
gigabet blockhead theory QED
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Old 03-20-2007, 01:28 PM   #83
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The EASIEST way to avoid stupid players catching hands is to play out of a REAL deck of cards -- not from those supposedly "random" decks you get on "poker" sites like JokerStars and Full Tilt River. Sites such as these HAVE to help the idiots, otherwise when all the donkeys lost all their money and quit playing, the sites like FTR would go broke.
Ya, dont you guys know online poker is rigged? lol
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Old 03-20-2007, 02:42 PM   #84
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I this post. All I have to do now is substitute poker with life!

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Old 06-23-2007, 11:17 AM   #85
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Bump QFT
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Old 06-23-2007, 11:41 AM   #86
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Gigabet, the Hegelian philosopher.
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:47 PM   #87
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"Now do this for every hand for every player that is in the hand, for every player at the table, for every table that you are playing at. Try and eight table while doing this exercise. Put effort into every single hand that is played out at your table, not just the ones you are involved in, every single hand. Every time there is a showdown, and the losing hand is mucked, open up the hand history file, and see what he had. Go through the hand again and see if you can figure out why he willingly showed down a losing hand(something that should rarely be done.)"

Unless OP has an elaborate setup that greatly simplifies multi-tabling (in which case someone with a photograhic memory might be able to benefit) this is just plain unrealistic.
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:06 PM   #88
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"Now do this for every hand for every player that is in the hand, for every player at the table, for every table that you are playing at. Try and eight table while doing this exercise. Put effort into every single hand that is played out at your table, not just the ones you are involved in, every single hand. Every time there is a showdown, and the losing hand is mucked, open up the hand history file, and see what he had. Go through the hand again and see if you can figure out why he willingly showed down a losing hand(something that should rarely be done.)"

Unless OP has an elaborate setup that greatly simplifies multi-tabling (in which case someone with a photograhic memory might be able to benefit) this is just plain unrealistic.
lol

And here I thought the bump comment would be silly!

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Old 06-26-2007, 07:33 PM   #89
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"Now do this for every hand for every player that is in the hand, for every player at the table, for every table that you are playing at. Try and eight table while doing this exercise. Put effort into every single hand that is played out at your table, not just the ones you are involved in, every single hand. Every time there is a showdown, and the losing hand is mucked, open up the hand history file, and see what he had. Go through the hand again and see if you can figure out why he willingly showed down a losing hand(something that should rarely be done.)"

Unless OP has an elaborate setup that greatly simplifies multi-tabling (in which case someone with a photograhic memory might be able to benefit) this is just plain unrealistic.

LOLTAKINGITLITERALLYAMENTS (i did the same thing 2 years ago)
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:57 PM   #90
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A question for someone who is trying to improve (though there may not necessarily be success and failure, there is growth):

I have been trying to work on reads (both pre and post flop)and have found my progress to be much slower than I had hoped. While I am not looking specifically for short cuts (as often they end up leaving large holes in understanding) I am looking for guidance on the "how" to learn reads. I have a decent understanding of the math, and some understanding of player types, but just find that my reads and ranges are farther off the mark than I believe they should / could be...critically appraising my game, it is a leak.

I was just wondering...short of staring at screens hand after hand (unfortunately I don't have the bankroll to do this for a long time, and we all know that the "free" sites probably do more harm to our hand reading skills then help), is there any guide / book / exercise / software / tutor / whatever that can move a student in the right direction?

I understand if there isn't, but since this originally was a thread on essentially "being one" with the game (and life for that matter) I thought it might be a good place to ask the corollary question (i.e. if the first question is "what"...the second question might be "how").

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Old 06-26-2007, 09:26 PM   #91
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I would say the best way to practice reads without actually playing is pick a tourniment you are interested in, preferably one at about your buyin level, as people do play deferent at different levels. Pick a table, or maybe 2, and focus on every hand played. throughout the hand, try to put the players involved on hands. so, maybe it would be, early position limps (wide range) agressive mid position raises (well, probably decent hand, but he raises alot, could be alot of things. folds around to early limper, who reraises pretty big (hmm, he must be pretty strong to play that that way, maybe AKs or big pair) and mid raiser calls for a fair amount of his chips (hmm, he cant have AA or he would raise, so maybe hi pair, not AA, maybe AK) etc, etc.

you will often be wrong, but the more you do it the easier it gets.
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:51 PM   #92
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That's the most enlightening and helpful thing I have ever read about poker.

Thank you, Gigabet.

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And there's nothing I could possibly add, so just keeping this on the front page because everyone who enters this forum should read this post. Awesome job Gigabet.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:21 PM   #93
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That's the most enlightening and helpful thing I have ever read about poker.

Thank you, Gigabet.

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And there's nothing I could possibly add, so just keeping this on the front page because everyone who enters this forum should read this post. Awesome job Gigabet.
I still remember reading this at work like 5 minutes after it was posted...printing it out...reading it again. Letting my voice mail pick up client calls...reading it again...and then walking outside to a warm, sunny day and hearing the birds chirp and everything being right in the world.

Ahhhhh

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Old 10-06-2007, 06:46 PM   #94
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You have a gift to put something like that into words. Amazing. I am printing this and putting it on my wall above my computer.
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Old 11-11-2007, 05:24 PM   #95
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That’s some love-fest from the follow-up posts. However, there’s a fundamental problem with it.

If all we’re talking about is blood, sweat, and tears, such as with playing football or similiar, then the argument holds up. However, many poker players have financial hardships resulting from their play, and continuing to play is sometimes not a mark of perseverance but of stupidity. Particularly when their livelihoods (or marriages) are at stake. This is where being a “quitter” is the best thing, rather than rationalizing oneself into financial and/or relationship oblivion.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:48 PM   #96
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Hmm... I don't have thousands nor even hundredths of post like some of the OP followers. And I want to present a bit opposite oppinion than most of them, so it may turn out harsh, but I'll do it anyway.


I liked the first post. Quite much. But I don't feel like printing it and reading all over again. I don't feel it changes my life or I shall stop anwsering the phone and walk out to listen to the birds.


All I feel is that it is a nice, soul warming up post, but anyway with some flaws.

First: Failures exist. If someone keeps losing money (debts, family problems, etc depth) because he keeps saing "there is no failure when I lose", than... that IS a failure. And they exist even if you don't fall into debts or family problems. You shouldn't care about one session results.
You definately shouldn't feel bad or shamed when you lose. If you ever think how you would look among your poker friends, because you lose this is bad (this is a failure ). And this is one thing that the OP put out very well btw. But anyway failure exist :/ I wish it hadn't.

Second: You can't put everone on exact hand while 8-tabling. Not to mention that putting smn on exact hand, not range is quite a mistake (reffering to HoH fe.). If you can do such thing while 8-tabling you are natural born poker killer and you don't need to read that forum anyway :P Again there is just a nice but obvious observation, that you should concentrate on your game *and opponents*, not watch TV or post on 2+2 (sic :P) while playing. But again that is nothing new.


As I said earlier I liked the oryginal post. But it doesn't blow me away. Am I the only one such ignorant? Anyway: don't care about short term results, care about long term ones, play your opponents not only your cards, don't ever get a feeling that you can't win, don't feel down and luck on the tables


PS - "It's hard work. Gambling. Playing poker. Don't let anyone tell you different. Think about what it's like sitting at a poker table with people whose only goal is to cut your throat, take your money, and leave you out back talking to yourself about what went wrong inside. That probably sounds harsh. But that's the way it is at the poker table. If you don't believe me, then you're the lamb that's going off to the slaughter." - Stu Ungar
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:05 PM   #97
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4 years later and it's still a great post
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Old 05-08-2009, 12:20 AM   #98
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Ya Ya Ya - Ok, another old link from me. The one I linked to above is still funny, but it seems really gay if I repeatedly link to that thread. I'll just link to sup bro in case some of you newbs have never seen that thread.

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Old 05-08-2009, 01:14 AM   #99
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Ok, instead of beating around the bush. This post is:

A mixture of self-important claptrap and psychobabble. The obvious masquerading as the profound. Puerile mountebankery.
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:42 AM   #100
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Ok, instead of beating around the bush. This post is:

A mixture of self-important claptrap and psychobabble. The obvious masquerading as the profound. Puerile mountebankery.
Agreed.
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