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08-06-2015 , 06:07 PM
Bovada $10

We open AK UTG to 200 at 40/80 off a 3.4k stack. CO (covers us by close to double) 3bets to 560, folds around, Hero?

Hero flats, 355 Hero checks, V bets 400 into 1.25k, Hero peels.

A. Checks through.

J We jam 2.4k into 2k.


Think post is fine w/bdfd otf, but I'm thinking we should have just jammed pre? Maybe flat AKo but not AKs?
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08-06-2015 , 07:25 PM
Don't think getting it in pre is bad, but people in live tourneys 3 be tighter and the size is a it worrying so flaring seems fine.

Flop/turn - fine

River just seems stupid to jam , only think we ever get called by AA/JJ/AJ/AQ so losing value from KK/QQ etc that are likely to call of a small bet, why did we jam here?
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08-08-2015 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nal
River just seems stupid to jam , only think we ever get called by AA/JJ/AJ/AQ so losing value from KK/QQ etc that are likely to call of a small bet, why did we jam here?
Didn't think he would call any size bet w/QQ/KK, I mean I can't have any bluffs here unless I decide to do some sort of weird turn my hand into a bluff thing w/99/TT. So figured may as well get max value from AQ. Although I considered checking bc he would prob v-bet AQ on the end. But yeah maybe it's better to 1/3 pot it, I just always tend to jam it in if I have approximately psb behind behind bc I feel like it looks weaker than if I put in 1/2 or 1/3 of my stack.
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08-08-2015 , 02:03 PM
pre is very villaindependant...stats would help ofc

i like post til river...sizing doenst make any sense as hes not very likely to have a strong enough hand to call
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08-08-2015 , 03:44 PM
pot in relation to stack pre-flop easily enough to jam pre

and why so much on river? 1k will be called more often
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08-08-2015 , 05:50 PM
Choose the easy way: jam pre. Can't be wrong.
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08-08-2015 , 06:20 PM
With no reads, guestimated V's PF range: TT+, AJs+, AQo, KQs (5%)

Hand from his perspective: V (you) flats a 3. Since AK usually jams here, he's prolly thinking you have PP. You peel flop, story checks out. Ace on turn, he can check with both decent PP and aces. If he has air he's betting. River, you jam, kinda looks like PP getting "fishy/creative". He's gonna call with aces, but fold most PP. We chop with AK, beat AQ/ATs, lose to AJ. So we should get value from 10 hands.

If we bet smaller, say 1/3, it looks like we may have small PP trying to buy pot or blocking. I think we get a call from KK/QQ (9 hands), but the extra hands he calls with don't make up for the lost chips when we only gain a smaller bet vs the jam. So I prob wouldn't have thought to jam the river, but it seems to be +cEV.

This assumes that we have to b/c river if he jams over us. If we think he can never bluff like that, then there is some merit in a b/f line. If we go b/f we are still left with over 20BB, reasonable but idk if I'm good enough to do that. I am a call-it-off legend.
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08-09-2015 , 04:08 PM
I think that although a jam gets extra value from AQ and AJ, a jam is incorrect because his range is weighted more toward pocket pairs imo because of his check on the turn. As SW said he will bet all/most of his air on the turn, but will balance his air of course by actually betting his Aces. Especially since it looks so much like we have a tens or jacks in this spot I think a ton of value is lost for him not to bet if he has an ace, and I think most players will indeed bet their aces. Also, there are only two aces left in the deck so his combos with an ace are reduced.

With this logic, I think that I favor a smaller value bet to get value from tens through kings who will probably pay us off given our line, especially since we usually don't have an ace in this spot. Though we sacrifice value from an Ace, since his range is mostly pocket pairs I think we increase profit in long run by targeting those hands...

Also, if he shoves over our value bet I honestly like to call it off in this spot. First, our hand is underrepresented so villain could overplay Kings or Queens both because of our perceived range, and villain being too attached to his hand, second, as the villain doesn't expect us to have an Ace, if he has air he might interpret our bet as a blocker bet and just shove it in, although he shouldn't have too much air as played, and finally because if he checked back turn with any ace in an attempt to not scare away our pp he could value shove with AQ AJ and AK.
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08-09-2015 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TellMeMore
pre is very villaindependant...stats would help ofc

i like post til river...sizing doenst make any sense as hes not very likely to have a strong enough hand that we beat to call
Agree, but had to add the bolded part.

Pre is fine considering stage of the tourney and relative positions, stacksizes and stage of the tourney, unless you have info to indicate that villain is agg.

You should also be more inclined to gii pre with AKo rather than AKs.
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