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03-28-2008 , 12:42 PM
Hey guys, I've been lurking a lot, but this is my first post. I had this hand come up in a little while ago in live play and I am wondering if I played it too hard.

This is early on in the $700 Reno WPT Mega-Sat, nowhere near any bubble.

The table had been incredibly loose, a lot of chasing bad draws and cold calling pre flop raises. Villain was solid, aggressive player (probably best at table) and had taken 2 pots in a row with pre-flop raises.

Blinds 100/200 Ante: 25

Villain: 5000
Hero: 4000

Hero AK

3 folds
MP1 raises to 450
Hero(MP2) raises to 1400
4 folds
Villain re raises 4550 to all in
Hero ???
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03-28-2008 , 12:49 PM
If your not willing to call an all in here then you should not have reraised.Its allways a raise call shove spot.

If you want to play this hand different then you flat call and play a flop in position.

In my opinion you played the hand fine and should call the 4 bet and expect to be in a race.
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03-28-2008 , 01:58 PM
What tipp said. You 3bet so now you call.
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03-28-2008 , 02:01 PM
what these two doods said is spot on.
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03-28-2008 , 03:16 PM
Call and hope he is a donk who has AQ.

Anyone watch Poker After Dark recently? All-in early with AK didn't work so well for Elezra.

Seriously, I'd prefer to just call the raise and take a flop with it. Of course, if he went all in when you re-raised, he's probably definitely going all-in if you just flat call.
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03-28-2008 , 04:01 PM
I like a push here. Look at the situation. This guy is the best player at the table according to OP, and he had just raised twice in a row preflop to this point. With this in mind, he probable has a pretty wide range. Further, there is ~950 in the pot, which would be a nice addition to our stack. Given that he is supposedly a good player (at least the best here) we shouldn't bother getting in this situation. A call, therefore, is just terrible, because not only are we playing the best player in a big pot, but also with a call you might get some other callers at this loose table. So, just push it all in, and either take down the smaller pot or hopefully win a bigger pot.
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03-28-2008 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Francis_MH
he had just raised twice in a row preflop to this point. With this in mind, he probable has a pretty wide range.

WRONG
the third raise in a row is usually a big hand...if not, you have a "suicidal" raiser
anyways, you called, and he had aces or kings, im sure....
next time realize that the guy is raising the third straight hand..
im not saying i play it any different thant OP but i dont think that you can assume the original raiser has a wide range when hes opening for the third straight hand, i actually think his range is much smaller being that this is the third time hes raised in a row
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03-28-2008 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by areaman
WRONG
the third raise in a row is usually a big hand...if not, you have a "suicidal" raiser
anyways, you called, and he had aces or kings, im sure....
next time realize that the guy is raising the third straight hand..
im not saying i play it any different thant OP but i dont think that you can assume the original raiser has a wide range when hes opening for the third straight hand, i actually think his range is much smaller being that this is the third time hes raised in a row
Wait, so are you telling me that if someone raises 3 times in a row you FOLD AK? Umm no. If a guy raises 2 times in a row, then the 3rd time he picks up AQo, he still is going to raise. We don't know the table dynamics really, here, and I guarantee that villain IS STILL raising a range we beat when folded to him in MP. I think he's raising at least 77+, ATs+, AJo+, KQs (which we are 53/47 against). Its not like he's UTG, and just raised twice in a row in EP previously. To say that he MUST have AA or KK here is wrong. Its within his range, but I don't think he's limiting his raising range to AKs, QQ+ here just because he raised twice previously.
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03-28-2008 , 04:45 PM
I agree with areaman. Being that the all-in is from someone with a solid image and because he has you covered I think that it should have been an easy laydown. You would still have a 2600 stack and time to catch back. I don't think that risking your tourney life on a hand that will most likely have to improve to win is a good gamble. Patience.
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03-28-2008 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Francis_MH
Wait, so are you telling me that if someone raises 3 times in a row you FOLD AK? Umm no. If a guy raises 2 times in a row, then the 3rd time he picks up AQo, he still is going to raise. We don't know the table dynamics really, here, and I guarantee that villain IS STILL raising a range we beat when folded to him in MP. I think he's raising at least 77+, ATs+, AJo+, KQs (which we are 53/47 against). Its not like he's UTG, and just raised twice in a row in EP previously. To say that he MUST have AA or KK here is wrong. Its within his range, but I don't think he's limiting his raising range to AKs, QQ+ here just because he raised twice previously.
actually, i dont think thats what i said at all. i beleive i said im not sure i play it any different than OP.

but i still prefer a call to a raise, with position given the circumstances.

also, why do we want to raise aq and kq out of our pot?

Last edited by areaman; 03-28-2008 at 05:09 PM.
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